Microsoft enables Shadow IT

[ladymuck]

Is this where the ability to have multiple users on some phones could be handy?
I've read that Android supports multiple users and has a guest mode.

It does, but I've never used it.

If I had to install things using an account provided by a client then I'd definitely want to test that out.

[ladymuck]

I should pay more attention to Cojak..

How much did you get paid to say that?

[Protagoras]

On a similar tangent, I recently installed the OneDrive app on my mobile. I logged into it with my 'work' account (the one I use for MyCo stuff) and, to my alarm, discovered that the app will back up photos from my phone to that OneDrive account. You can't opt out, but you can switch which account does the back up if you have more than one.

No amount of searching resulted in a way to to prevent this from happening (most results described features of the app that didn't exist). I blocked it from accessing any files on my phone while I investigated, to minimise any clean up needed.

I ended up deleting the app as it was actually useless for what I was looking for regarding accessing my files but not before I logged a ticket stating how inappropriate it was to force personal phone users to share photos with their employer.

Is this where the ability to have multiple users on some phones could be handy?
I've read that Android supports multiple users and has a guest mode.

[Dorkeaux]

I certainly do this already.
Obscuring PID and other sensitive data, and usually run on my own hardware or VM, but ChatGPT, Perceptivity and Claude are my friends.

AI might not be the thing that changes everything, but it is very, very useful. If you don't learn how to use it to make yourself more valueable you may turn into one of those unemployable ex-contractors with one antique skill that no one uses anymore.

Likewise for companies that forbid it's use because they can't be arsed to figure out a usage policy. Or set up an AI workbench or other capability and train their staff.

I should pay more attention to Cojak..

To be clear, I don't use LLMs on client hardware unless it it allowed, provided and integrated (like CoPilot into GitHub).
Nor do i input any PID nor company identifying information from ClientCo into an LLM. This is second nature, I'm sure everyone does this.

However, do I use LLMs on my own hardware and accounts with anonymised data when ClientCo has no policy expressly forbidding it? Oh yeah.

I also get asked to advise on LLM policy, security and use cases. Rarely, but interest is increasing.

[ladymuck]

Just so.
I think it's a terrible idea logging into one's personal account on a client's platform.
I'd expect that this is already outlawed by most company's security policies

On a similar tangent, I recently installed the OneDrive app on my mobile. I logged into it with my 'work' account (the one I use for MyCo stuff) and, to my alarm, discovered that the app will back up photos from my phone to that OneDrive account. You can't opt out, but you can switch which account does the back up if you have more than one.

No amount of searching resulted in a way to to prevent this from happening (most results described features of the app that didn't exist). I blocked it from accessing any files on my phone while I investigated, to minimise any clean up needed.

I ended up deleting the app as it was actually useless for what I was looking for regarding accessing my files but not before I logged a ticket stating how inappropriate it was to force personal phone users to share photos with their employer.

[Protagoras]

Just because not every company wants to embrace the softly lit utopia that LLMs claim to bring (it's artificial but it's certainly not intelligent), that doesn't mean Microsoft should be encouraging users to bypass rules about software that can be used on company systems.

Just so.
I think it's a terrible idea logging into one's personal account on a client's platform.
I'd expect that this is already outlawed by most company's security policies

[ladymuck]

I certainly do this already.
Obscuring PID and other sensitive data, and usually run on my own hardware or VM, but ChatGPT, Perceptivity and Claude are my friends.

AI might not be the thing that changes everything, but it is very, very useful. If you don't learn how to use it to make yourself more valueable you may turn into one of those unemployable ex-contractors with one antique skill that no one uses anymore.

Likewise for companies that forbid it's use because they can't be arsed to figure out a usage policy. Or set up an AI workbench or other capability and train their staff.

Just because not every company wants to embrace the softly lit utopia that LLMs claim to bring (it's artificial but it's certainly not intelligent), that doesn't mean Microsoft should be encouraging users to bypass rules about software that can be used on company systems.

You're lucky your clients are happy that you use their data to train LLMs that are not part of their estate. I'm sure many others wouldn't be quite so pleased.

[NotAllThere]

I use Copilot, but not to write any code. 80% it produces something useful. The rest of the time it hallucinates functions that don't exist, invalid syntax etc.

[sadkingbilly]

Well, i tried chatgpt and it knows f**k all about Zsystems.
just rehashes stuff from manuals in such a way that it won't ever work.
I guess nobody trained it in such a difficult subject*.

*or told it the old story about mainframes being dead

EDIT: - NOT on a client site, or with client data, or on client time,for that matter.

[Dorkeaux]

Your company doesn't allow AI? Ignore them and bring your own!

Microsoft to allow consumer Copilot in corporate environs • The Register

I certainly do this already.
Obscuring PID and other sensitive data, and usually run on my own hardware or VM, but ChatGPT, Perceptivity and Claude are my friends.

AI might not be the thing that changes everything, but it is very, very useful. If you don't learn how to use it to make yourself more valueable you may turn into one of those unemployable ex-contractors with one antique skill that no one uses anymore.

Likewise for companies that forbid it's use because they can't be arsed to figure out a usage policy. Or set up an AI workbench or other capability and train their staff.

[cojak]

Your company doesn't allow AI? Ignore them and bring your own!

Microsoft to allow consumer Copilot in corporate environs • The Register