Reply to: British Steel

[sadkingbilly]

The other place that used to have a couple of blast furnaces.

But it's not in England, so...

like ravenscraig you mean?

[Zigenare]

Ah, spit, mate, howls of outrageous laughter, those are all cricketers. Is your name not Bruce?

https://www.csiro.au/en/research/env...%20pure%20iron.

Looks like the Aussies are at it too.

That's what happens when you sell a quarter of your coal to China...

Anyway, it looks like the coal that we have beneath our feet is too sulphurous to produce the best steel so "Imports" it is...

[DoctorStrangelove]

Ah, spit, mate, howls of outrageous laughter, those are all cricketers. Is your name not Bruce?

https://www.csiro.au/en/research/env...%20pure%20iron.

Looks like the Aussies are at it too.

[Andy2022]

i said Making steel, not recycling old steel.
how quickly do you think a fully operational hydrogen blast furnace could be achieved in UK?

The hydrogen ones make steel from ore and it takes years to build them which is why we should have started 5 years ago

I was clear the electrical ones are for recycling ATM

[malvolio]

AIUI if you want to make carbon steel, the proper hard stuff, you need carbon...

[sadkingbilly]

i said Making steel, not recycling old steel.
how quickly do you think a fully operational hydrogen blast furnace could be achieved in UK?

[Andy2022]

good luck making steel with those.

Nippon, Thyssenkrupp and others have proven you can use hydrogen in a blast furnace

Sweden is building one that’s going to use green hydrogen (rather than hydrogen from natural gas)

We already have electrical ARC furnaces for recycling steel in the UK, Cesla in Cardiff is on example

[ladymuck]

Port Talbot! I was listening to The Reunion on Radio 4 this morning, all about the The Passion play that Michael Sheen put on in 2011.

[DoctorStrangelove]

who's Margam?

The other place that used to have a couple of blast furnaces.

But it's not in England, so...

[sadkingbilly]

"Theoretically" one can reduce iron ore to iron using a hydrogen furnace, the output of which can feed an arc furnace.

The quotes are intentional.

IIRC the Swedes have managed to get a small scale version doing something.

All you need is a supply of hydrogen. .



There's a tulipload of coking coal under Margam. Lot of fecking good that is now. .

who's Margam?

[DoctorStrangelove]

good luck making steel with those.

"Theoretically" one can reduce iron ore to iron using a hydrogen furnace, the output of which can feed an arc furnace.

The quotes are intentional.

IIRC the Swedes have managed to get a small scale version doing something.

All you need is a supply of hydrogen. .

Looks like we're going to be shipping the relevant coking coal from Australia... That should get the Greens in a bit of a tizzy - mind you, *where* did they think the raw materials were going to come from when they issued support for the nationalisation of British Steel?

There's a tulipload of coking coal under Margam. Lot of fecking good that is now. .

[sadkingbilly]

Trouble is the plant has been badly maintained for decades and the furnaces are near the end of the working life - should have started moving to gas fired or electrical furnaces a long time ago and hopefully that'll now happen

good luck making steel with those.

[Andy2022]

Trouble is the plant has been badly maintained for decades and the furnaces are near the end of the working life - should have started moving to gas fired or electrical furnaces a long time ago and hopefully that'll now happen

Given the subsidies Grangemouth has had I'm yet to be convinced it's not just a way for Ratcliffe to increase his personal wealth at the expense of the taxpayer

[Zigenare]

Looks like we're going to be shipping the relevant coking coal from Australia... That should get the Greens in a bit of a tizzy - mind you, *where* did they think the raw materials were going to come from when they issued support for the nationalisation of British Steel?

[sadkingbilly]

Nope this lot are even more incompetent than the last lot, at least the last lot had some understanding of economics and strategy. The trouble is they're all cr@p and shouldn't be in charge of anything

yeh, how to give it all to their chums.