Reply to: Peace in the middle east

[Zigenare]

Maybe this?

https://www.jns.org/two-thirds-of-pa...-survey-finds/



I think you are missing the fanaticism in Gaza. The heroic Hamas are killing Jews and deserve the perks of staying alive down in tunnels with all the food and expensive handbags.

Your flippant response is why I asked NAT for a source.

[vetran]

Do you have a source for your comments?

Maybe this?

https://www.jns.org/two-thirds-of-pa...-survey-finds/

The Ramallah-based Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD) polling firm surveyed 704 Palestinian adults between Nov. 27 and Dec. 2. (The margin of error is plus or minus 3.7 percentage points, AWRAD said.)

According to the poll, 47% of Palestinians say they would put their trust in a government of “national unity” that would include Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah faction, which currently governs swaths of Judea and Samaria, as well as Hamas, the terror group that ruled Gaza until it was destroyed by the Israel Defense Forces in recent months.

Meanwhile, 17% of the surveyed Palestinians told AWRAD they favor a return to the situation in which Gaza is ruled solely by Hamas terrorists.

I think you are missing the fanaticism in Gaza. The heroic Hamas are killing Jews and deserve the perks of staying alive down in tunnels with all the food and expensive handbags.

[vetran]

The Great War and later the creation of the NHS after WW2 arguably helped prevent civil wars in the UK at their relevant times.

interesting take on it, the French Revolution being 100 years before the great war and the Russian Revolution at the end of the WWI don't seem to support your suggestion.

[Zigenare]

Apparently, in Gaza, only 16% of residents would vote for Hamas, because they looked after themselves in their tunnels, or hid among the civilians.

Support for them in the West Bank though has largely increased - partly due to hatred of Fatah. Maybe they should talk to their Gazan countrymen?

Do you have a source for your comments?

[Zigenare]

Bloody Sunday 1972 is 52 years.

Peterloo was the turning point when the British government realised it wasn't really on to oppress the public in such a way I suspect it was why we din't have another revolution like the French.

The Great War and later the creation of the NHS after WW2 arguably helped prevent civil wars in the UK at their relevant times.

[vetran]

You should also remember that the landed gentry - who were the ruling classes, none of this democratic bollox - saw the underclasses as something less than human. It wasn't all that long before that they were effectively owned by the landowners. So shooting a few of the blighters was not necessarily the same as shooting one of us...

Sorry I didn't inherit a Stately Home, My ancestors weren't Lords.

[malvolio]

Bloody Sunday 1972 is 52 years.

Peterloo was the turning point when the British government realised it wasn't really on to oppress the public in such a way I suspect it was why we didn't have another revolution like the French.

You should also remember that the landed gentry - who were the ruling classes, none of this democratic bollox - saw the underclasses as something less than human. It wasn't all that long before that they were effectively owned by the landowners. So shooting a few of the blighters was not necessarily the same as shooting one of us...

[vetran]

'On the 16th of August 1819 the huge open area around what's now St Peter's Square, Manchester, played host to an outrage against over 60,000 peaceful pro-democracy and anti-poverty protesters; an event which became known as
The Peterloo Massacre.'


so 1819. afaik it's now 2025.
I make that 206 years.
don't try to count above ten.

Bloody Sunday 1972 is 52 years.

Peterloo was the turning point when the British government realised it wasn't really on to oppress the public in such a way I suspect it was why we din't have another revolution like the French.

[vetran]

[QUOTE=WTFH the nutter's friend;n4303494]gibberish/QUOTE]

ftfy

Finally the murderous nutters who raped, butchered, tortured and kidnapped innocent Israelis, Arabs, Americans and Brits have sued for peace because the Israeli's won. Give it a few years and expect rinse & repeat, lets hope Hamas don't get any hostages this time then invest in concrete shares.

Sad for the Gazan's who elected a death cult and stood proud as their children were trained to kill Israelis, cheering when Gazans murdered babies, raped and kidnapped their neighbours while breaking the ceasefire, not really maybe pity.

Are you not horrified by the other much larger atrocities in the region or do you only get excited when the Jews are involved?

[sadkingbilly]

50 years ago is hardly ancient history, don't run with anything sharp.

'On the 16th of August 1819 the huge open area around what's now St Peter's Square, Manchester, played host to an outrage against over 60,000 peaceful pro-democracy and anti-poverty protesters; an event which became known as
The Peterloo Massacre.'


so 1819. afaik it's now 2025.
I make that 206 years.
don't try to count above ten.

[vetran]

so, 200 years ago then. nice to see you keep up with current affairs.

WAT.

50 years ago is hardly ancient history, don't run with anything sharp.

[WTFH]

If a group says “we’ll keep killing until we get a piece of paper with names on it”, it kinda makes them sound a bit terroristy, and when they consider all of the people in a particular area to be legitimate targets, it doesn’t look good.
…but then there’s the other side of the argument, some say the people being killed all deserve to die.

Hard to know which way to think on this one.

[sadkingbilly]

oh a few times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...United_Kingdom

This is probably the one I thought of first.
https://www.peterloomassacre.org/history.html

We weren't always the bastion of fairness and good manners we are now. I suspect we may not be soon.

so, 200 years ago then. nice to see you keep up with current affairs.

WAT.

[vetran]

I disagree with regards to your interpretation of why stone throwers weren't "eliminated" in Northern Ireland - shooting kids is not the done thing, a tenet that was often exploited by PIRA.

As far as Gaza and Hamas are concerned, time will tell.

Fair enough its not like we have a history at all. Arguably we grew out of it faster than most my views on the Belgians as colonists are well known. We did however do some horrible stuff historically.

How many Gazans are one legged (not shot centre mass and dead) or are locked up shows Israel's commitment to a humanitarian responses to stone throwing.

Fingers most definitely crossed lets hope the Gazans keep to the cease fire.

[vetran]

oh, really? - when was that then?

oh a few times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...United_Kingdom

This is probably the one I thought of first.
https://www.peterloomassacre.org/history.html

We weren't always the bastion of fairness and good manners we are now. I suspect we may not be soon.