Reply to: Here's an injection now get back to work

[Zigenare]

So you’re not of Anglo-Saxon or Norman descent?

The Normans invaded(going back to their Danish roots - leopard, spots etc.), there was a war, the Anglo-Saxons lost.

Unfortunately, we're not permitted to fight the current hordes as they step from their boats - something about diversity or somesuch...

[sadkingbilly]

You’re the one who hates the UK, doesn’t want to pay your fair share of taxes, hates democracy, and who is an immigrant. But now you want to judge migrants based on “anyone who came to the UK after my family should be sent “home”.
You’re not a “Brit” you are an immigrant to the British Isles.
Go back a further thousand years - in other words twice the length of time that the Germans and French came here, and you’ll learn about the Picts and Celts.

But since you want to “escape UK”, and you hate the British people and our country so much, you boast about how easy your family steal benefits by claiming to be disabled, so why don’t you go back to where your ancestors are from, like the way you wish the same on anyone that isn’t as far right as you?

hear! hear!

[WTFH]

Right....So Brits are immigrants because of what happened 1000 to 1500 years ago. I see. Are you missing the Guardian comments section perhaps? Seems more suited there.

You’re the one who hates the UK, doesn’t want to pay your fair share of taxes, hates democracy, and who is an immigrant. But now you want to judge migrants based on “anyone who came to the UK after my family should be sent “home”.
You’re not a “Brit” you are an immigrant to the British Isles.
Go back a further thousand years - in other words twice the length of time that the Germans and French came here, and you’ll learn about the Picts and Celts.

But since you want to “escape UK”, and you hate the British people and our country so much, you boast about how easy your family steal benefits by claiming to be disabled, so why don’t you go back to where your ancestors are from, like the way you wish the same on anyone that isn’t as far right as you?

[escapeUK]

So you’re not of Anglo-Saxon or Norman descent?

Right....So Brits are immigrants because of what happened 1000 to 1500 years ago. I see. Are you missing the Guardian comments section perhaps? Seems more suited there.

[WTFH]

ewwww what a thing to say. Of course not.

So you’re not of Anglo-Saxon or Norman descent?

[escapeUK]

so you're an immigrant? - how fecking ironic!

ewwww what a thing to say. Of course not.

Oddly those working cash in hand are doing OK paying your cleaner, builder etc in cash is incredibly common.
Those who have social housing that no longer need it have a ~50% discount on housing costs paid for by depriving the more needy.

I'm starting to think how I can do this. Paying taxes to this evil government is for mugs.

[WTFH]

Do you think (s)he's one of the cousins or one of the children?

Could be both, but I know he's not a Patriot...
https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/lat...ndations-2024?

[Snooky]

so you're an immigrant? - how fecking ironic!

Do you think (s)he's one of the cousins or one of the children?

[sadkingbilly]

Au contraire Sue! They applied for a mortgage on a new build semi, and did you know back then (2001) don't know about now, but benefits counted as income for the purposes of a mortgage. Then they overpaid using the generous benefits, and now owns the house outright!!! Thanks tax payers! But also thanks for the free state pension, as the 20 years counted as full years of NI contributed.

So I guess importing people who marry their cousins and have genetically defected children wasn't the smartest plan? Who'd a thunk it? But that is for another topic.

so you're an immigrant? - how fecking ironic!

[vetran]

You answered your own question - lots of the new claimants are children. Some of the next new lot of claimants are adults under 30, and thanks to the cost of housing around 42% of adults under 30 live with their parents/other relatives.

Oh and your relative who got signed off in 2000 likely has managed to secure their housing. Now if you don't a have council property or a mortgage free property they would end up in the cheapest rodent/insect/mould infested rental accommodation, temporary accommodation or on the street.

Well if they didn't keep growing the population and not building houses that might not be an issue!

Of course the council house that was sold at a massive discount will end up in the hands of a BTL landlord soon.

[escapeUK]

You answered your own question - lots of the new claimants are children. Some of the next new lot of claimants are adults under 30, and thanks to the cost of housing around 42% of adults under 30 live with their parents/other relatives.

Oh and your relative who got signed off in 2000 likely has managed to secure their housing. Now if you don't a have council property or a mortgage free property they would end up in the cheapest rodent/insect/mould infested rental accommodation, temporary accommodation or on the street.

Au contraire Sue! They applied for a mortgage on a new build semi, and did you know back then (2001) don't know about now, but benefits counted as income for the purposes of a mortgage. Then they overpaid using the generous benefits, and now owns the house outright!!! Thanks tax payers! But also thanks for the free state pension, as the 20 years counted as full years of NI contributed.

So I guess importing people who marry their cousins and have genetically defected children wasn't the smartest plan? Who'd a thunk it? But that is for another topic.

But back to the specific topic. Yes, I think helping with self-esteem and getting some weight off, improving fitness would help some back to work. So would a gradual reduction in all benefits. They are unaffordable, and in many cases offer people a higher quality of life than someone working. That should never be the case, that it was a lifestyle choice.

The downside of this, if you help the idle become slimmer and they don't then get into work, you probably added another 10 years to them being a scrounger. So this could easily backfire!

[SueEllen]

You have no idea what you are talking about. No surprise there.

So tell me, if its such a bad life why has disability claimants increased from 3.9 million in May 2002 to 6.9 million in February 2024. That's during a time where Health and Safety became a god and much industry closed down. So where have all these disabled people come from exactly? Please let us know your theory.


This is from the commons library. "The prevalence of disability rises with age: in 2022/23 around 11% of children in the UK were disabled, compared to 23% of working-age adults and 45% of adults over State Pension age. Two thirds (67%) of people aged 85 or over reported a disability."

So you believe that a massive 23% of working age adults are genuinely disabled? Come on , get real.

I can talk about with certainty, because I have some in my own family who were signed off around 2000 ish and have never worked again. Now they are retired on full state pension. 20 plus years of sickness benefits.

Perhaps I am the Hyacinth Escapèt, with the shameless family? haha. But no, with 23% and 6.9 million doing it, we all know someone like this. Many of them in fact.

You answered your own question - lots of the new claimants are children. Some of the next new lot of claimants are adults under 30, and thanks to the cost of housing around 42% of adults under 30 live with their parents/other relatives.

Oh and your relative who got signed off in 2000 likely has managed to secure their housing. Now if you don't a have council property or a mortgage free property they would end up in the cheapest rodent/insect/mould infested rental accommodation, temporary accommodation or on the street.

[escapeUK]

Agreed. All the people I know on benefits are struggling very hard to get by and would prefer to be able to work and have more disposable income and a sense of pride, rather than being labelled as scroungers by the likes of the Daily Mail and those with similarly narrow minds and agendas. I think someone's been watching too much Shameless.

You have no idea what you are talking about. No surprise there.

So tell me, if its such a bad life why has disability claimants increased from 3.9 million in May 2002 to 6.9 million in February 2024. That's during a time where Health and Safety became a god and much industry closed down. So where have all these disabled people come from exactly? Please let us know your theory.


This is from the commons library. "The prevalence of disability rises with age: in 2022/23 around 11% of children in the UK were disabled, compared to 23% of working-age adults and 45% of adults over State Pension age. Two thirds (67%) of people aged 85 or over reported a disability."

So you believe that a massive 23% of working age adults are genuinely disabled? Come on , get real.

I can talk about with certainty, because I have some in my own family who were signed off around 2000 ish and have never worked again. Now they are retired on full state pension. 20 plus years of sickness benefits.

Perhaps I am the Hyacinth Escapèt, with the shameless family? haha. But no, with 23% and 6.9 million doing it, we all know someone like this. Many of them in fact.

[vetran]

I completely agree with not subsidising people who don't need it, and I also support any genuine initiatives to help people work for a living despite their disability. The hard part - which must be really hard, since all governments to date have failed at it - is achieving that in an intelligent and humane way so that people aren't left even worse off.

That is indeed a challenge doing it in properly, those with obesity will frequently have underlying problems so an injection may not be the best solution.
Having rejoined a gym after a few years absence, I was surprised at how much it changed my mood positively and would hope others would enjoy this especially as its cheaper and longer lasting than Ozempic etc.

[Snooky]

Oddly those working cash in hand are doing OK paying your cleaner, builder etc in cash is incredibly common.
Those who have social housing that no longer need it have a ~50% discount on housing costs paid for by depriving the more needy.

I completely agree with not subsidising people who don't need it, and I also support any genuine initiatives to help people work for a living despite their disability. The hard part - which must be really hard, since all governments to date have failed at it - is achieving that in an intelligent and humane way so that people aren't left even worse off.