Reply to: The beeb is biased

[vetran]

Try this

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

[Zigenare]

You don't think Hamas may be lying?

It's nothing to do with what I think, I was highlighting a fact.

[vetran]

You're paraphrasing from an out of date document #JustSaying

You don't think Hamas may be lying?

[Zigenare]

Hamas Charter Article 7 calls for the death of Jews and "and the only solution is through Jihad"
Hamas kills their own people if they disagree with them or are gay.

They are a terrorist organisation who murder and rape and hold women and children hostage. Yet the BBC cant call them that. Pathetic.

You're paraphrasing from an out of date document #JustSaying

While the 1988 Hamas Charter had been widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document stated that Hamas' fight was not with Jews as such because of their religion but with the Zionist project. However, Hamas fell short of repudiating the original, 1988 charter, saying it was a document of its time and the new document represented Hamas's position for now.

[vetran]

Have Israel given any estimates for the following?

1) Starting number of Hamas
2) Number eliminated so far
3) Number still remaining

Have they said what the target is, percentage-wise?

Yes
1.30-35,000
2. 10-12,000
3. One supposes when all of the kingpins are dead as in Iraq.

Oddly the overall casualty figures released by Hamas are almost linear despite the phases Israel pursued but they are from a world leading "militant" organisation so they are obviously correct.

The Israeli embassy in the UK told us they think the total number of Hamas fighters killed is "between 10,000 and 12,000".

But they said it was hard to distinguish between civilians and combatants as many of them are not wearing military uniform and Hamas also has fighters who are aged 16 and 17.

[woody1]

Have Israel given any estimates for the following?

1) Starting number of Hamas
2) Number eliminated so far
3) Number still remaining

Have they said what the target is, percentage-wise?

[vetran]

Try reading my posts since you refuse to answer any questions, then deflect back to shouting a question you have shouted so many times before, yet you never read the answer each time I give it. There's no point in me answering it any more, it's shameful that you keep asking, like you think you're being clever, when it's rather offensive.
But I forgive you.


How do you eliminate terrorist organisations?
How do you define who is an active member, who is a supporter, who is forced to support them? Kill them all, because that's the safest option?
The people in the US who gave money to Noraid to buy guns and semtex that killed military and civilians in the 1970s-2000s, are those people terrorists? Should they be "eliminated" too?
When is one man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter?
This idea of eliminating anyone that you don't like, where would you stop on the "slippery slope" to use the Fail phrase?

I have answered your question and others before you even asked them.

Now we are into desperate whataboutery from you.

Israel are quite clearly avoiding killing civilians where possible but Hamas and the other terrorists must go.

Lets try making it simple

Hamas are terrorists who wish to kill all the Jews and eliminate Israel (its in their constitution and their school books). Call them militants if you are the BBC but sensible people recognise them as genocidal terrorist nutters.

[woody1]

Not everytime - no one has ever said that??

Just do not have a complete ban on referring to them as a terrorist group.
And where applicable apply the label as every other broadcaster does.
why are you trying to defend this?

Hamas are a designated terrorist group. The bbc refuse to acknoweldge this - unlike every other broadcaster (bar Al jezeera)

Defending what, when you appear to be misrepresenting what the BBC have been doing?

As I say, I don't watch or listen to BBC news, but WTFH does and says they do refer to Hamas as a designated terrorist organisation.

[WTFH]

Try reading my posts I have suggested multiple ways.

Israel will look after them of course, its not like the other surrounding Muslim countries like them much except the billionaire Hamas etc leaders.


I will ask again as you avoided answering the question:

Do you believe Hamas & other terrorist organisations in the area should be eliminated?

Try reading my posts since you refuse to answer any questions, then deflect back to shouting a question you have shouted so many times before, yet you never read the answer each time I give it. There's no point in me answering it any more, it's shameful that you keep asking, like you think you're being clever, when it's rather offensive.
But I forgive you.


How do you eliminate terrorist organisations?
How do you define who is an active member, who is a supporter, who is forced to support them? Kill them all, because that's the safest option?
The people in the US who gave money to Noraid to buy guns and semtex that killed military and civilians in the 1970s-2000s, are those people terrorists? Should they be "eliminated" too?
When is one man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter?
This idea of eliminating anyone that you don't like, where would you stop on the "slippery slope" to use the Fail phrase?

[WTFH]

Not everytime - no one has ever said that??

Just do not have a complete ban on referring to them as a terrorist group.
And where applicable apply the label as every other broadcaster does.
why are you trying to defend this?

Hamas are a designated terrorist group. The bbc refuse to acknoweldge this - unlike every other broadcaster (bar Al jezeera)

You say "the bbc refuses to acknowledge this" and yet every news bulletin that I have watched, when they refer to Hamas, at least once they will say "who are designated a terrorist organisation..."
Is that "refusing to acknowledge, or am I imagining they are saying it because you say they refuse to say it?

[NotAllThere]

Hamas are a designated terrorist group. The bbc refuse to acknoweldge this - unlike every other broadcaster (bar Al jezeera)

Even Switzerland are wanting categorise them as a criminal terrorist organisation https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-p...years/87491275

Hamas is the richest terrorist organisation in the world. Shame they couldn't spend the money improving the lives of the people they govern.

[NotAllThere]

Whereas if Netanyahu says or does anything, it is 100% correct and should not be challenged because everything he says and does is perfect, and anyone who disagrees is a pro-mamas terrorist, or has the potential to be one, and therefore is a legitimate target with no rights.

There are many people who support Israel and consider Netanyahu to be criminal, power hungry and corrupt. I'm also pretty sure that even under a more moderate, less corrupt leader, Israel would have gone in hard into Gaza in response to 7.10.2023. Whether they'd still be there is another question.

[saptastic]

So, every time a BBC presenter/reporter says the word "Hamas", you want them to follow that with "who are proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the UK"?

Tedious but if that's what you want...

Not everytime - no one has ever said that??

Just do not have a complete ban on referring to them as a terrorist group.
And where applicable apply the label as every other broadcaster does.
why are you trying to defend this?

Hamas are a designated terrorist group. The bbc refuse to acknoweldge this - unlike every other broadcaster (bar Al jezeera)

[woody1]

only 409 times out of 12000 reports - try reading the findings not making tulip up, you aren't Hamas or the BBC,

So, every time a BBC presenter/reporter says the word "Hamas", you want them to follow that with "who are proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the UK"?

Tedious but if that's what you want...

[vetran]

No, the BBC refers to them the same way as Ch4, although that doesn't suit those who don't like to listen.

only 409 times out of 12000 reports - try reading the findings not making tulip up, you aren't Hamas or the BBC,