Reply to: wafted in from Paris? No, Luton Airport

[SueEllen]

You mean at the front left where the battery is located and the fire appears to be concentrated. Certainly holds. Electrical faults appear to be the 2nd most likely reason for a fire but fuel leaks are number one.

Yeah Range Rovers are popular on that forum due to the number that are reported stolen there. (Same forum where people report cats as being lost who are doing normal cat things.)

[northernladuk]

Elsewhere on the internet I was told it was a Range Rover and it was an electrical fault that likely caused the fire due to the location.

You mean at the front left where the battery is located and the fire appears to be concentrated. Certainly holds. Electrical faults appear to be the 2nd most likely reason for a fire but fuel leaks are number one.

Be interesting to see what they find when the do a report. I'm sure they'll identify type of car and attempt to explain what caused it.

[SueEllen]

Yup looks like a Range Rover to me.

Elsewhere on the internet I was told it was a Range Rover and it was an electrical fault that likely caused the fire due to the location.

[mudskipper]

https://www.landrover.co.uk/electric/suv.html

So they do exist.

Is that car in a space or was it still being moved/parked?

[dsc]

I saw this on the BBC time line: real ugly URL that BBC generated to track your every movement

Yup looks like a Range Rover to me.

[ladymuck]

Says it was a Range Rover that started it but can't find any detail. I'm assuming it wasn't an EV on? Are there even EV range Rovers? Might have been a hybrid one but not many of them around and don't have the reputation of EV? Anyone got the detail?

I saw this on the BBC time line: real ugly URL that BBC generated to track your every movement

[northernladuk]

and in the video I saw the roof fell in just before a car exploded. If it wasn't an EV it was a fecking bomb....

Says it was a Range Rover that started it but can't find any detail. I'm assuming it wasn't an EV on? Are there even EV range Rovers? Might have been a hybrid one but not many of them around and don't have the reputation of EV? Anyone got the detail?

[Lance]

Indeed but the car is already alight by then and another number in the statistic but the fuel type is not the root cause. EV batteries cause fires. Diesel in your example doesn't.

and in the video I saw the roof fell in just before a car exploded. If it wasn't an EV it was a fecking bomb....

[ladymuck]

"Were you truly wafted here from paradise?"
"No, Luton airport"

Kids today know nuffing!

I watched the advert to check the wording, had to deal with a phone call which made me forget what I'd heard so then made it up

[northernladuk]

Yep, and there's probably quite a lot of material in a car which would act as a wick.

Indeed but the car is already alight by then and another number in the statistic but the fuel type is not the root cause. EV batteries cause fires. Diesel in your example doesn't.

[woody1]

you can light diesel without compression. But you need a wick. It's slightly heavier paraffin/kerosene.

Yep, and there's probably quite a lot of material in a car which would act as a wick.

[Lance]

You cannot ignite diesel with a naked flame*, the fuel has to be mixed with compressed air and then heated - normal spark plugs don't work in diesels. (I had a diesel way back when they were cheaper to insure for young drivers, which I don't think is the case these days, and that's all I can remember.)

*And yes I did try this at home, so you don't have to.

you can light diesel without compression. But you need a wick. It's slightly heavier paraffin/kerosene.

[Zigenare]

EV battery fire perhaps?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-67073446

All flights at Luton Airport have been suspended and people have been asked not to travel there after a huge fire ripped through a terminal car park. The Terminal Car Park 2 suffered a "significant structural collapse", Bedfordshire Fire Service said.

Up to 1,200 vehicles may have been in the car park and subsequently damaged, the fire service said.

Four firefighters and an airport staff member were taken to hospital suffering the effects of breathing in smoke. Another patient was discharged at the scene.

Flights have been suspended until 12:00 BST for the safety of passengers and staff, the airport said. The airport said a car fire had spread without giving further details.

Fifteen fire engines attended the blaze which affected half of the multi-storey structure.

Hundreds of people are now stranded in Luton, with no way of getting home. Many told the BBC that their cars were in the car park.

"Were you truly wafted here from paradise?"
"No, Luton airport"

<cough>Kids today know nuffing!</cough>

[Mordac]

Problem is that isn't really reflective. With 54 electric cars the fire was caused by the propulsion i.e. batteries. Of the 1898 fires it was a petrol or diesel car but the cause of the fire (i reckon) will be electrical so not related to it's fuel if you get me. I know of three car fires, one of them mine and just smoke really but all three were electrical. There are have been loads of recalls on cars that could catch light due to electrical problems. I don't think comparing battery fires with petrol/diesel fires really paints a clear picture. Guess it depends on what question you are asking and what answer you are looking for but that comparison doesn't mean anything.

EDIT : Also don't you need to add in the number of those cars to give a real picture. 54 EV fires from 100 cars is far worse than 1898 fires from 1.2 million petrol and diesel.

How many of those 1898 were arson cases? My guess, having lived in London for more than 50 years is probably more than you think.

[northernladuk]

2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with 54 electric vehicle fires compared with 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

Problem is that isn't really reflective. With 54 electric cars the fire was caused by the propulsion i.e. batteries. Of the 1898 fires it was a petrol or diesel car but the cause of the fire (i reckon) will be electrical so not related to it's fuel if you get me. I know of three car fires, one of them mine and just smoke really but all three were electrical. There are have been loads of recalls on cars that could catch light due to electrical problems. I don't think comparing battery fires with petrol/diesel fires really paints a clear picture. Guess it depends on what question you are asking and what answer you are looking for but that comparison doesn't mean anything.

EDIT : Also don't you need to add in the number of those cars to give a real picture. 54 EV fires from 100 cars is far worse than 1898 fires from 1.2 million petrol and diesel.