Reply to: Labour on course for 140-seat majority under new constituency boundaries…

[d000hg]

Labour are on course to get a hefty win regardless of boundary changes. Rishi hasn't had any major gaffes but sentiment is against the Tories without something happening to change that.
If energy prices and inflation drop substantially that might help even though it's not got much to do with government. Kind of feels it's due a natural swing of the pendulum from red to blue. Right now, it's likely Keir would probably only last one term IMO anyway.

[vetran]

here you go!

[woohoo]

That’s a threat?

I tried reading my comment back using an italian mobster godfather voice and i still cant make it sound like a threat.

[AtW]

It's not a healthy way to think but that's your life.

That’s a threat?

[SueEllen]

Well he has far more charisma than Starmer.

That's not hard.

Even this had more charisma - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss_lettuce

[woohoo]

And people voting for Tory Scum can also be scum - for example Tory Scum MPs voting for themselves…

It's not a healthy way to think but that's your life.

[JustKeepSwimming]

Well yes we can actually. Starmer has u-turned so many times, and supported a hundred Choses-du-jour nobody has any idea what his party stands for. Come to that, his own shadow cabinet and a few big union bosses have the same opinion...

I think you're paying more attention than the vast majority of the public. The whole 'great betrayal' Starmer did or didn't do when getting the leadership means nothing to the general public.

Yes, but they seem to be peddling £We aren't Labour either" at the same time.

In a sense I can see that. They are clearly, and IMO rightly, courting the centre ground rather than the far left fringe. Whoever wins the centre wins power.

Not without a Blair in No 10 they aren't

If the economy improves after the next GE then it really doesn't matter who the leader is. The Tories are at the end of their run the same way Labour was in 2010. It will take a decade+ for people to time to heal.

Well yes. so let's leave him where he belongs, well away from leadership.

Well he has far more charisma than Starmer.

[malvolio]

Can't really blame Labour for not having a manifesto in writing yet. The country today is very different to what it was 2 years ago and will likely be different next year. I think current Labour has shown with the strikes that they are no longer the unions whipping boy, they have called their bluff.

Well yes we can actually. Starmer has u-turned so many times, and supported a hundred Choses-du-jour nobody has any idea what his party stands for. Come to that, his own shadow cabinet and a few big union bosses have the same opinion...

'We aren't the Tories' is IMO a very good line to take atm.

Yes, but they seem to be peddling £We aren't Labour either" at the same time.

As far I can see Tories are out for a generation, at least 10 years, probably 15.

Not without a Blair in No 10 they aren't

Post leadership Miliband is actually pretty likable and competent. Maybe it was the press, maybe it was the pressure, maybe it was the internal labour culture (momentum).

Well yes. so let's leave him where he belongs, well away from leadership.

[AtW]

Yes, fraud victims can also be fraudsters.

And people voting for Tory Scum can also be scum - for example Tory Scum MPs voting for themselves…

[JustKeepSwimming]

I have no strong attachement to the Tories, brought up as a labour supporter. Even though the last few years have been a mess in government, I can't see labour being any better. Looks weak, without a clear purpose. Saying we are not the tories isnt going to make people like me change their minds, it's a weak argument.

I can't see any party with a clear vision or ambition. Pretty terrible.

I have never voted tory, always lived in a tory safe seat so never saw the point. Would have had no issue voting tory under Cameron or May.

Current lot? Absolutely no chance in hell. Sure Labour might be more of the same, but I genuinely think they can't be any worse.

My friendship group, all reasonable earners and not very political are pretty fed up with the Tories. Although I'm sure if the right 'incentives' are in the Tory manifesto then I can see many of them holding their nose.

Equally, I would never vote Green.

[woohoo]

Can't really blame Labour for not having a manifesto in writing yet. The country today is very different to what it was 2 years ago and will likely be different next year. I think current Labour has shown with the strikes that they are no longer the unions whipping boy, they have called their bluff.

'We aren't the Tories' is IMO a very good line to take atm.

As far I can see Tories are out for a generation, at least 10 years, probably 15.

Post leadership Miliband is actually pretty likable and competent. Maybe it was the press, maybe it was the pressure, maybe it was the internal labour culture (momentum).

I have no strong attachement to the Tories, brought up as a labour supporter. Even though the last few years have been a mess in government, I can't see labour being any better. Looks weak, without a clear purpose. Saying we are not the tories isnt going to make people like me change their minds, it's a weak argument.

I can't see any party with a clear vision or ambition. Pretty terrible.

[woohoo]

Are fraud victims also fraudsters? I don’t think so, with some exceptions. But in a spirit of a friendly CUK discussion I’ll meet you half way - you are not a scum to vote Tory Scum, but you are a bit thick. There, happy now?

Yes, fraud victims can also be fraudsters.

[andymalory]

Th rest of the parties are largely irrelevant, except as benefactors of assorted protest votes.

Either way I have very little hope of either major party actually enacting their manifestos and actually improving things.

Which is why we need PR!

[JustKeepSwimming]

I really hate this childish polarisation. MPs are people, some are out for themselves, but they are evenly spread across all the parties so to label one party as "scum" is merely showing your own ignorance. Perhaps look at the policies and likely outcomes of those policies and vote accordingly.

The real problem with the Tories is not corruption, it's incompetence at the top and too much attention being paid to minority groups on the backbenches.

The real problem with Labour is we don't have the faintest idea what they actually stand for, nor will we until they and their union paymasters have decided on the next manifesto.

Th rest of the parties are largely irrelevant, except as benefactors of assorted protest votes.

Either way I have very little hope of either major party actually enacting their manifestos and actually improving things.

Can't really blame Labour for not having a manifesto in writing yet. The country today is very different to what it was 2 years ago and will likely be different next year. I think current Labour has shown with the strikes that they are no longer the unions whipping boy, they have called their bluff.

'We aren't the Tories' is IMO a very good line to take atm.

As far I can see Tories are out for a generation, at least 10 years, probably 15.

Post leadership Miliband is actually pretty likable and competent. Maybe it was the press, maybe it was the pressure, maybe it was the internal labour culture (momentum).

[vetran]

Were losing Wallace at the next election, unless he goes to NATO as Sec Gen first. He will be a loss.

Why in God's name do you want Millipede back? He's already proven to be a total failure. Although he would make Starmer look interesting and decisive I suppose...

Lets have Jezzy back, the Tories will have a chance in a vote!