Reply to: Suella says nothing happened...

[SueEllen]

In The Times today:

The actor Eddie Marsan can see why Suella Braverman sought to avoid a group motoring class. “I had to do a speed awareness course and, as a famous actor, it was humiliating,” he said. “No one recognised me.”

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2023/05/22...funniest-tale/

James Blunt was recognised.

[northernladuk]

In The Times today:

The actor Eddie Marsan can see why Suella Braverman sought to avoid a group motoring class. “I had to do a speed awareness course and, as a famous actor, it was humiliating,” he said. “No one recognised me.”

Feel his pain. No one recognised me on mine either :|

[NotAllThere]

In The Times today:

The actor Eddie Marsan can see why Suella Braverman sought to avoid a group motoring class. “I had to do a speed awareness course and, as a famous actor, it was humiliating,” he said. “No one recognised me.”

[SueEllen]

Ah personal attacks , you have lost then!

There was no personal attack.

Gibbon's experience may or may not be consistent with all course experience, the NDA probably is but may not be.

Online courses expect you to take the course in complete confidentiality.

Both types of courses state that you can't share personal details about other people on the course.

Someone needed to quietly investigate and explain the options not run to the press.

The press, top civil servants and party officials are friendly with one another.

The civil service don't like her and are happy to stab her in the back.

From the question asked a few moments ago in parliament some Tory backbenchers don't like her and are happy to say so.

[SueEllen]

Gets dirtier.

Ms Braverman has had connections with 19 members of the current Rwandan government.

[vetran]

Read Gibbon's post and also do a Google if you got no-one you can ask.

Ah personal attacks , you have lost then!

Gibbon's experience may or may not be consistent with all course experience, the NDA probably is but may not be.

Someone needed to quietly investigate and explain the options not run to the press.

The civil service don't like her and are happy to stab her in the back.

[SueEllen]

Suella is a bit of a giveaway.

Anonymity and better scheduling (doing it online) are hardly unreasonable in her position.

You may not like her but she will receive regular death threats so needs to take them seriously.

Read Gibbon's post and also do a Google if you got no-one you can ask.

[vetran]

Asking for assistance is one thing, trying to force someone to give her special treatment is another, no idea which one happened in this particular case though. She might've also simply asked "is there anything that can be done about this" and this can be understood differently depending who's on the receiving end. One might see this as trying to sweep it under the rug, someone else might do some research and then offer options of dealing with it which are perfectly legal. So context is everything here.

yes "who will rid me of this turbulent course?" usually ends well.

[vetran]

Most people would not know who she was.

I've heard stories that back up Gibbon's assertion. Even if she didn't change her name and she did the course in and around London there are so many famous people most people don't bat an eyelid when they see one.

Suella is a bit of a giveaway.

Anonymity and better scheduling (doing it online) are hardly unreasonable in her position.

You may not like her but she will receive regular death threats so needs to take them seriously.

[SueEllen]

Well considering the security issues with a minister being in a course with members of the public who have committed an offence I sort of assumed this was standard practice. They do this online in their office with the course being adjudicated by a protection officer, other course takers would be unaware who was taking the course with them or be security cleared.

Most people would not know who she was.

I've heard stories that back up Gibbon's assertion. Even if she didn't change her name and she did the course in and around London there are so many famous people most people don't bat an eyelid when they see one.

[dsc]

IMO she needs the sack if she didn't ask assistance. I mean, who wouldn't? If you were close enough to the senior process owner to get stuff done off book why not? I work in Service Transition and it's about the only way I get anything done. If I followed every process by logging calls and waiting I'd never get anywhere.

Being slightly facetious as speeding and the law is slighly more serious than getting stuff in to Service Now but I can't blame her for trying if she did

I wonder how many of her protagnoists would do the same if they had access to the right civil servants. All of them would be a good start for a discussion I think.

Asking for assistance is one thing, trying to force someone to give her special treatment is another, no idea which one happened in this particular case though. She might've also simply asked "is there anything that can be done about this" and this can be understood differently depending who's on the receiving end. One might see this as trying to sweep it under the rug, someone else might do some research and then offer options of dealing with it which are perfectly legal. So context is everything here.

[vetran]

Well considering the security issues with a minister being in a course with members of the public who have committed an offence I sort of assumed this was standard practice. They do this online in their office with the course being adjudicated by a protection officer, other course takers would be unaware who was taking the course with them or be security cleared.

She and the other ~1.5 million drivers who took a speed awareness course in the year had been granted access to the course as their offence was minimal.

She took the consequences either way.

[northernladuk]

He added: “The question mark that is being raised is over the alleged attempts to ask for assistance from civil servants to give special treatment.”

IMO she needs the sack if she didn't ask assistance. I mean, who wouldn't? If you were close enough to the senior process owner to get stuff done off book why not? I work in Service Transition and it's about the only way I get anything done. If I followed every process by logging calls and waiting I'd never get anywhere.

Being slightly facetious as speeding and the law is slighly more serious than getting stuff in to Service Now but I can't blame her for trying if she did

I wonder how many of her protagnoists would do the same if they had access to the right civil servants. All of them would be a good start for a discussion I think.

[dsc]

But the point being made is that speeding is a private matter and no-one should be asking a member of the civil service to make arrangements for a private matter. There are plenty of people she could have asked that aren't tax payer funded.

It's like asking Sue Grey (when she was in post) if she could arrange a baby sitter for an evening and pick up your dry cleaning when she pops out to buy your lunch.

Is it confirmed she basically said "get me on a private course" or was it a question asked about whether a private course is possible? As much as I detest the woman, the latter wouldn't be anything bad imho.

[NotAllThere]

I don't really understand the security issues. I've done three of these, 2 F2F one Teams, you can put any name on your card and only a first name. The course providers tell you that you are bound by confidentiality about any one else's identity. So she could have gone on Teams and be called Tina. If afterwards someone tried to 'out' her she could have legitimately declined to answer. Taking a SAC avoids a conviction so is not public knowledge.

Which shows that she's really really stupid. Many politicians are, but are able to hide it, so this is another reason for her to be defenstrated. It's politics - it doesn't matter if you actually screwed up or not, it's all about perception.