Reply to: Raab Resigns

[vetran]

Sadly after decades of brilliant and unflagging support by the thoroughly apolitical & professional Civil service, we still have massive population growth driven mainly by both legal & illegal immigration (2 year wait for a decision compared to a decade ago), sky high crime with institutionalised racism in the Police (how long ago was the MacPherson report), significant fraud against the government, failing prisons (strange now the parole hearings can be public they seem more conservative), 10 month wait for cataract surgery (so difficult its done in the back of an airplane in many countries), insufficient services and demonstrable institutionalised wastage.

Must be the Politicians fault.

Yes the fish rots from the head but as the head is cut off every few years at election time one does wonder.

[malvolio]

Being a child is a protected characteristic.

Being an adult isn't.



Anyway your plan still fails as there are still some people with inherited wealth who could become an MP over 40 without ever having a real job.

Well yes, let's ignore sensible solutions - or proposals, to be fair - in the interests of nobody losing the race and nobody having to face selection on the basis of suitability for the job. And invent legal reasons for doing so that ignore any measure of common sense.

Which is largely why we are where we are now.

Point to anyone in the current Parliament who meets any justification for being called a statesman, and who demonstrates any kind of vision other than personal survival. And when they do appear, the pygmies eventually take them down.

[SueEllen]

And thats a bad thing?

It's not age discrimination, any more than being over 18 is. It's a requirement for the job.

Being a child is a protected characteristic.

Being an adult isn't.

It does discriminate against people who have never had a job in the real world, who are around 40% of MPs and a lot of their advisors. We don't need career politicians making major decisions on our behalf.

Anyway your plan still fails as there are still some people with inherited wealth who could become an MP over 40 without ever having a real job.

[malvolio]

That's age discrimination and it means people like William Hague couldn't become an MP.

And thats a bad thing?

It's not age discrimination, any more than being over 18 is. It's a requirement for the job.

It does discriminate against people who have never had a job in the real world, who are around 40% of MPs and a lot of their advisors. We don't need career politicians making major decisions on our behalf.

[SueEllen]

That's all politicians, not just Tory ones. Which is the real problem. It's far easier to appear smart and up to speed when you don't have to make the decisions, merely criticise those that do.

The answer is not to allow people to stand who have not held down a salaried position (and excluding all those political non-jobs like researchers and financial consultants) and who are under 40 years old. But that won't happen either.

That's age discrimination and it means people like William Hague couldn't become an MP.

[malvolio]

What I find dispiriting is these Tory politicians have been educated at Oxbridge yet they are so wanting in basic knowledge and they would not be able to hold down any meaningful job in the real world. e.g. Raab not knowing Dover is a major commercial port; Truss saying that the Baltic countries are on the Black Sea and a host of other ignorant beliefs.

That's all politicians, not just Tory ones. Which is the real problem. It's far easier to appear smart and up to speed when you don't have to make the decisions, merely criticise those that do.

The answer is not to allow people to stand who have not held down a salaried position (and excluding all those political non-jobs like researchers and financial consultants) and who are under 40 years old. But that won't happen either.

[Paddy]

What I find dispiriting is these Tory politicians have been educated at Oxbridge yet they are so wanting in basic knowledge and they would not be able to hold down any meaningful job in the real world. e.g. Raab not knowing Dover is a major commercial port; Truss saying that the Baltic countries are on the Black Sea and a host of other ignorant beliefs.

[edison]

Do you suffer from short term memory loss?

Remember when he was arguing about the Northern Ireland Protocol as Brexit Minister, but he'd never got round to reading the Good Friday Agreement?
Or when he was on holiday, but claimed these was closed, and that delayed the evacuation from Afghanistan?
Or his insistence on using private jets for his journeys?
Or how he didn't think Dover-Calais ferry route was important to the UK trade with the EU?
Or referring to people who rely on food banks as having a cash-flow problem?
Or when he told a disabled campaigner that reversing NHS cuts was a "childish wishlist"?

Do I need to go on?

Raab is a complete plonker like most ministers. I wouldn't trust him to run a corner shop let alone be such a senior minister.

[DoctorStrangelove]

Scumbag Tory bully resigns & returns to the back benches.

Same old same old.

I wonder if it's roid rage. .

[malvolio]

Do you suffer from short term memory loss?

Remember when he was arguing about the Northern Ireland Protocol as Brexit Minister, but he'd never got round to reading the Good Friday Agreement?
Or when he was on holiday, but claimed these was closed, and that delayed the evacuation from Afghanistan?
Or his insistence on using private jets for his journeys?
Or how he didn't think Dover-Calais ferry route was important to the UK trade with the EU?
Or referring to people who rely on food banks as having a cash-flow problem?
Or when he told a disabled campaigner that reversing NHS cuts was a "childish wishlist"?

Do I need to go on?

Why not. You usually do.

[WTFH]

a capable minister ...

Do you suffer from short term memory loss?

Remember when he was arguing about the Northern Ireland Protocol as Brexit Minister, but he'd never got round to reading the Good Friday Agreement?
Or when he was on holiday, but claimed these was closed, and that delayed the evacuation from Afghanistan?
Or his insistence on using private jets for his journeys?
Or how he didn't think Dover-Calais ferry route was important to the UK trade with the EU?
Or referring to people who rely on food banks as having a cash-flow problem?
Or when he told a disabled campaigner that reversing NHS cuts was a "childish wishlist"?

Do I need to go on?

[WTFH]

You really need to work on your comprehension skills...

Yes, sure, whatever you say...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

[SueEllen]

Bully resigns for bullying, blames victims, and his fan club tell him he's right to blame them, it's all the fault of his victims, not his.

At least it save's Rishi's blushes at having to live up to his claims of integrity and accountability.

Mmm..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2226349.html

Dominic Raab has said a confidentiality agreement he and a former colleague signed over a historic claim of bullying was "standard" practice.

The deputy prime minister was quizzed over the episode, which dates from before he became an MP, in the Commons on Wednesday.

It comes as he faces new and separate accusations of bullying while working in government as both foreign secretary and justice secretary.

On Wednesday Labour MP Bambos Charalambous asked the deputy prime minister whether he could "tell the house if he has ever entered into a nondisclosure agreement connected to a complaint against him" – prompting gasps from other MPs.

Mr Raab replied: "He's referring to an employment dispute that was settled before I entered the house. It wasn't an NDA, but it did involve a confidentiality clause, which was standard at the time."
The Tory MP had previously been asked about the episode in 2019, when he stood in the contest to lead the Conservative party.

The agreement had come under scrutiny because the woman who also signed the clause said it made it impossible for her to reply to claims made by Mr Raab and his political allies about the alleged bullying incident.

Tory MP Maria Miller had told the BBC at the time that the claims were “vexatious”, but the other party to the agreement was unable to contest this in public.

[malvolio]

Bully resigns for bullying, blames victims, and his fan club tell him he's right to blame them, it's all the fault of his victims, not his.

At least it save's Rishi's blushes at having to live up to his claims of integrity and accountability.

You really need to work on your comprehension skills...

[WTFH]

Bully resigns for bullying, blames victims, and his fan club tell him he's right to blame them, it's all the fault of his victims, not his.

At least it save's Rishi's blushes at having to live up to his claims of integrity and accountability.