Reply to: ok its Vetran's law and order day

[Snooky]

I remember reading one enterprising young lad took his tag off and put it in the family pet for the night while he went out

[vetran]

I remember reading one enterprising young lad took his tag off and put it in the family pet for the night while he went out. He admitted it months later when he got caught for doing something else.

that's lovely the Judge can take that into account and send them direct to jail. It seems most of them aren't that clever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onic-tags.html

[vetran]

I bet there is a market for fake tags for those that want to look the part.

yep as worn by those wearing pink underpants and their trousers round their knees.

[SueEllen]

I bet there is a market for fake tags for those that want to look the part.

I remember reading one enterprising young lad took his tag off and put it in the family pet for the night while he went out. He admitted it months later when he got caught for doing something else.

[SueEllen]

Anyone remember when the Tories were the party of law & order and family values?

Boris Johnson likes creating families just like the Tories of the 90s.

And him and R!sh! are just checking the police are doing their jobs properly.

[TheDude]

I bet there is a market for fake tags for those that want to look the part.

[WTFH]

Anyone remember when the Tories were the party of law & order and family values?

[vetran]

Which links to your other thread and explains why they try to keep young people out of prison for knife carrying.

so tagging and interventions look like great choices.

[SueEllen]

The jails tend to be run by the prisoners currently and conditions are shocking. Talk to a PO occasionally.

Which links to your other thread and explains why they try to keep young people out of prison for knife carrying.

[vetran]

Just think of the opportunities for the private sector to charge for value-added services
- cell upgrade
- food upgrade, room service
- pay by the hour visiting
- entertainment packages
- excursion days out
- variable lock-in hours
- choice of screws
...

Hey they can charge for female prison officer intimate company and spice delivery in jail that seems a daily story.

The jails tend to be run by the prisoners currently and conditions are shocking. Talk to a PO occasionally.

[vetran]

It's not just about the money it is ensuring cases like this don't happen again - https://news.sky.com/story/zara-alee...rison-12794150

Due to mess like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ling-disasters

so better oversight then?

First thing is making sure Failing Grayling is not let near anything more important than a whelk Store.

Our prisons are full and the criminals progress from minor offences to major crimes. Tags may well be the solution. What would you do?

https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons

I would suggest the majority of fraud , motoring and other none violent offences may be better suited to tags than prison.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023...analysis-finds
Those on bail again for none violent offenses also benefit from tags, less disruption and less likelihood of loosing their jobs and families.

[Protagoras]

That would never be allowed, unless the prisons were privatised and shareholders could profit from them.

Just think of the opportunities for the private sector to charge for value-added services
- cell upgrade
- food upgrade, room service
- pay by the hour visiting
- entertainment packages
- excursion days out
- variable lock-in hours
- choice of screws
...

[WTFH]

If every prisoner in the UK spent 4 hours a day on a power-generating treadmill, this might achieve 30kWh a day, obviously depending on prisoner fitness and enthusiasm levels. This could offset the cost of heating prisons and improve prisoner health. However, it would probably mean that the prisoners would need to eat more food, so may not be cost-effective.

A treadmill may be useful for non-custodial sentences. Rather that 100 hours community service, it could be 100 hours on the treadmill. These would need to be located in the town square (like the stocks) so that the 'law and order brigade' could enjoy the shame factor associated with punishment.

That would never be allowed, unless the prisons were privatised and shareholders could profit from them. Public sector is not allowed to be successful as it will damage the private sector. If public services are run well then they must be sold off so shareholders can profit, rather than the country. Best thing to do is run public services into the ground and say that it’s because they need to be privatised to run better.

[Protagoras]

Is there no oakum to pick?

Even better: the treadmill!

If every prisoner in the UK spent 4 hours a day on a power-generating treadmill, this might achieve 30kWh a day, obviously depending on prisoner fitness and enthusiasm levels. This could offset the cost of heating prisons and improve prisoner health. However, it would probably mean that the prisoners would need to eat more food, so may not be cost-effective.

A treadmill may be useful for non-custodial sentences. Rather that 100 hours community service, it could be 100 hours on the treadmill. These would need to be located in the town square (like the stocks) so that the 'law and order brigade' could enjoy the shame factor associated with punishment.

[SueEllen]

or better oversight. I don't wash my car but if its not well done I don't pay.

It's not just about the money it is ensuring cases like this don't happen again - https://news.sky.com/story/zara-alee...rison-12794150

Due to mess like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ling-disasters