Reply to: Tory 1922 Committee considers rule change

[jamesbrown]

and your staggering achievement is?

In this thread, poking clownshoes

[malvolio]

It was the public who forced Boris out. If you think they would let him anywhere near the leadership of the country, you're living in some total fantasyland.
The only people who want Boris back are the hard-core party members, who represent some small fraction of a percent of the electorate and think Liz's budget was a great idea, Putin, and Keir Starmer.

Like I said, you and AtW are just competing who can be the most blinkered fool. The idea that what happens now is due to consequences of what happened before seems to totally elude you. Sunak raised taxes because everything is fooked.

Good grief.

Oh grow up. Or read some better websites. You're talking nonsense.

Take one point. Sunak raised taxes three years ago to pay for Covid. He has stuck religiously to the socialist approach of big state and high taxation to pay for it. Or hadn't you noticed.

[vetran]

Speaking of clownshoes

and your staggering achievement is?

We know SKB is proud of smiling without dribbling.

[d000hg]

Give them a choice between two charisma-free woodentops in Sunak and Starmer and a populist self-promoter such as Boris, who do you think they would choose?

It was the public who forced Boris out. If you think they would let him anywhere near the leadership of the country, you're living in some total fantasyland.
The only people who want Boris back are the hard-core party members, who represent some small fraction of a percent of the electorate and think Liz's budget was a great idea, Putin, and Keir Starmer.

Like I said, you and AtW are just competing who can be the most blinkered fool. The idea that what happens now is due to consequences of what happened before seems to totally elude you. Sunak raised taxes because everything is fooked.

Good grief.

[malvolio]

Maybe at some point the party will realise the issue isn't the leader, and you can't drop a new leader in and they overturn a massive poll deficit and widespread electoral disgust in a couple of months.

Or maybe AtW and Mal should simply continue making both sides look stupid. Clue, you can't have a nuclear disaster, replace your leader and blame them that lots of people are still sick from radiation.

Don't recall saying that at all. But then comprehension was never your strong point.

Hint: We got a largely useless coalition because a lot of people saw Clegg on the telly deliver an optimistic pitch in a debate that he shouldn't even have been invited to so voted for him instead of Cameron. You shouldn't underestimate the stupidity of the British electorate, you have lots of examples where they make irrational decisions based on personal, rather than party attractiveness. Give them a choice between two charisma-free woodentops in Sunak and Starmer and a populist self-promoter such as Boris, who do you think they would choose?

[d000hg]

Maybe at some point the party will realise the issue isn't the leader, and you can't drop a new leader in and they overturn a massive poll deficit and widespread electoral disgust in a couple of months.

Or maybe AtW and Mal should simply continue making both sides look stupid. Clue, you can't have a nuclear disaster, replace your leader and blame them that lots of people are still sick from radiation.

[AtW]

On balance, I'd be happy to see Johnson back because the clownshoe is great for depressing Sterling. But it's a close call as someone who doesn't fundamentally hate the UK

Current lot came on the back of - “Truss crashed Sterling, interest rates will have to go up a lot”, so now we got 4% BoE rate already, sterling going down still and taxes going up.

Fook Rishi and especially fook Jeremy Chunt

[jamesbrown]

Oxford educated man who wrote for and edited some of the largest and most influential newspapers in the UK, wrote multiple successful books, then became London Mayor he followed through by becoming prime minister is now condemned as a cretin by some nonentity on an obscure forum - that must sting. Is that you Dubya?

Bojo is many things but no cretin.

Speaking of clownshoes

[jamesbrown]

The risk is that the Tories who don't like Sunak but detest Starmer will go Lib Dem or anyone-but-Labour instead. End result will be the same of course.

And that presupposes that Sunak will survive May's local election time. That is by no means certain!

On balance, I'd be happy to see Johnson back because the clownshoe is great for depressing Sterling. But it's a close call as someone who doesn't fundamentally hate the UK

[sadkingbilly]

some nonentity on an obscure forum .

nice to see you appreciate your real status

[vetran]

And I say that preferring Johnson to Sunak, even though the former is a cosmic scale cretin.

Oxford educated man who wrote for and edited some of the largest and most influential newspapers in the UK, wrote multiple successful books, then became London Mayor he followed through by becoming prime minister is now condemned as a cretin by some nonentity on an obscure forum - that must sting. Is that you Dubya?

Bojo is many things but no cretin.

[malvolio]

What your analysis is missing is that Sunak does much better in the Blue Wall seats and Johnson's advantage in the Red Wall is small, shrinking and doesn't translate into seats when compared to Starmer. Starmer is going to recover the Red Wall and a Johnson return would extend that to the Blue Wall. The marginal preference for Johnson vs. Sunak in the Red Wall is a meaningless sideshow in terms of seats gained/lost when put up against Starmer.

Well yes, that is a fair analysis.

And I say that preferring Johnson to Sunak, even though the former is a cosmic scale cretin.

The risk is that the Tories who don't like Sunak but detest Starmer will go Lib Dem or anyone-but-Labour instead. End result will be the same of course.

And that presupposes that Sunak will survive May's local election time. That is by no means certain!

[jamesbrown]

Love to know which polling you've been reading. The last one I saw said he was most likely to retain a chunk of the crucial Red Wall votes.

He's not a good PM, he is a very good party representative where it matters.

What your analysis is missing is that Sunak does much better in the Blue Wall seats and Johnson's advantage in the Red Wall is small, shrinking and doesn't translate into seats when compared to Starmer. Starmer is going to recover the Red Wall and a Johnson return would extend that to the Blue Wall. The marginal preference for Johnson vs. Sunak in the Red Wall is a meaningless sideshow in terms of seats gained/lost when put up against Starmer.

And I say that preferring Johnson to Sunak, even though the former is a cosmic scale cretin.

[malvolio]

Boris is a clownshoe and the polling shows that he’d make the Tories even less electable (even before the Partygate hearings begin). The Tories being solidly behind is baked in now, no one can save ‘em (other than circumstance, such as a booming economy, massively reduced NHS waiting lists etc., which all seems rather improbable).

Love to know which polling you've been reading. The last one I saw said he was most likely to retain a chunk of the crucial Red Wall votes.

He's not a good PM, he is a very good party representative where it matters.

[jamesbrown]

Boris is a clownshoe and the polling shows that he’d make the Tories even less electable (even before the Partygate hearings begin). The Tories being solidly behind is baked in now, no one can save ‘em (other than circumstance, such as a booming economy, massively reduced NHS waiting lists etc., which all seems rather improbable).