Reply to: Mummy he was nasty and pushed me!

[d000hg]

His behaviour changed significantly when he met her.

His family weren't too keen on her; he chose his woman over his family. Not an uncommon story. Family feuds run for decades over "what aunty Sue said about my fiance". There's clearly at least a kernel of truth in all the "not approved of by the family" stuff.

[SueEllen]

Oh well at least he's keeping the rest e.g. Prince Andrew out of the media with his moaning.

[vetran]

Harry's issues were well in evidence before he married. And I don't buy this "let's just blame the wife"... it's a nice narrative for The Crown but real life is rarely that simple.

His behaviour changed significantly when he met her.

He was set to be the annoying royal who moaned and was sent off to the provinces or ended up in the army for a lifetime, now he is in the colonies and off script.

[d000hg]

He does seem a bit to be "it's all someone else's fault" though. At 21 he used the term 'Paki' without knowing it was offensive 'because nobody ever told me' and the same year, his famous Nazi party dress was "because William told me to do it".

[d000hg]

William married well, Harry didn't.

Harry's issues were well in evidence before he married. And I don't buy this "let's just blame the wife"... it's a nice narrative for The Crown but real life is rarely that simple.

[Gibbon]

But to me it seems William had a horrible experience and has tried to leave it behind whereas Harry choses to let it define him.

William married well, Harry didn't.

[SueEllen]

Whether one likes the crown and the princes or not, it's a horrific thing to have lived through - not just the death of your mother but the circumstances. Harry has openly blamed the media/tabloids for her death and it's pretty obvious he has a huge chip on his shoulder over it which he seems to have allowed to take control over him more rather than less - an engrained bitterness. William may have felt the same but he doesn't seem to have dwelled on it to the same extent, maybe simply he never had the opportunity or maybe he was better able to grieve and move on. Or as you say he might have just repressed it. But to me it seems William had a horrible experience and has tried to leave it behind whereas Harry choses to let it define him.

Martin Lewis lost his mother at roughly the same age as Harry.

https://www.heart.co.uk/showbiz/cele...-tragic-death/

"My mum was there one day and she wasn't the next and that was it. This was 1984 and you didn't have counselling. My childhood ended that day and I am still not over it."

When you are a child 3 years is a lot of difference in maturity.

[d000hg]

And to avoid getting too serious...

[d000hg]

I think that is a massive part of what is going on. The radio show I heard described it in detail and it hit a note with me when I think of someone I know who lost parents at around the same age. The psychologist on the show broke it all down with examples and it turns out that William could likely be a pretty broken person inside but his royal duties covered most of it up and this is him just lashing out from an institution he turned against as he tried to deal with the death of Diana. Very sad but it all made a lot of sense by the end of the show.

Whether one likes the crown and the princes or not, it's a horrific thing to have lived through - not just the death of your mother but the circumstances. Harry has openly blamed the media/tabloids for her death and it's pretty obvious he has a huge chip on his shoulder over it which he seems to have allowed to take control over him more rather than less - an engrained bitterness. William may have felt the same but he doesn't seem to have dwelled on it to the same extent, maybe simply he never had the opportunity or maybe he was better able to grieve and move on. Or as you say he might have just repressed it. But to me it seems William had a horrible experience and has tried to leave it behind whereas Harry choses to let it define him.

[northernladuk]

On a serious note I think that plays a huge part in all this. William seems to have avoided the same scars, at least to the same extent... whether because he's older or just the difference in their make-up.
It's very easy to criticise Harry (rightly in some cases IMO) but who we are is shaped by what we've been through.

I think that is a massive part of what is going on. The radio show I heard described it in detail and it hit a note with me when I think of someone I know who lost parents at around the same age. The psychologist on the show broke it all down with examples and it turns out that William could likely be a pretty broken person inside but his royal duties covered most of it up and this is him just lashing out from an institution he turned against as he tried to deal with the death of Diana. Very sad but it all made a lot of sense by the end of the show.

Spending as long as he did wrapped up in the same institution that he probably also (possibly subconciously) hates because of the way his mum and him was treated goes a long way to explaining why he wrote the book and hasn't any regrets. If what the show said is true it's going to get more unpleasant as time goes on.

[courtg9000]

Im thinking Prince William is the new Prince Phillip.
I would be surprised if William hires a french Mercedes once this book is fully published in order to get revenge on his half brother.

[d000hg]

And he had to walk behind her coffin as a 12 year old boy with crowds of strangers hysterically sobbing.

On a serious note I think that plays a huge part in all this. William seems to have avoided the same scars, at least to the same extent... whether because he's older or just the difference in their make-up.
It's very easy to criticise Harry (rightly in some cases IMO) but who we are is shaped by what we've been through.

[SueEllen]

https://pagesix.com/2023/01/05/princ...oman-in-spare/

Prince Harry details losing his virginity to ‘older woman’ in ‘quick ride’


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“Inglorious episode,” the Duke of Sussex writes in the book, which hits shelves in the US on Jan. 10. “She liked horses, quite a lot, and treated me not unlike a young stallion.”

He continues, “Quick ride, after which she’d smacked my rump and sent me to grace.”

Harry, 38, seemed to look back on the experience negatively.

“Among the many things about it that were wrong. It happened in a grassy field behind a busy pub,” he writes.

[SueEllen]

Poor taste, as his mum's been long dead.

And he had to walk behind her coffin as a 12 year old boy with crowds of strangers hysterically sobbing.

[Paddy]

William comes over as rather smug like Charles, Harry is more laid back like his father.