Reply to: What will the coming recession mean for the contractor job market?

[vetran]

Offset it

https://www.cemex.co.uk/vertua-low-carbon-concrete

Geopolymer

https://www.geopolymertech.com/green-concrete/

both are competitive and its not like we haven't got loads of flyash

[DoctorStrangelove]

Carbon neutrial chem lab "built of natural materials" (wood):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nificant-blaze

Ooops.

[vetran]

Well if you consider that one of the most used products on the planet, concrete, has a huge impact on pollution, that's a bit of a false hope. Construction by definition will never be "green" because of the materials used, the fuels used, the pollution created by supplying those materials, the gas used making bricks and blocks, even the burners heating up the tarmac to get to the site, anyone that even tries to convince you that building anything isn't damaging the planet is trying to sell you fog.

Sustainable materials indeed. No such thing. Even plasterboard damages the planet. Then there's how do these materials get to the site? By ship and road transport. By train if it's aggregate? Pulled out of the ocean by derv powered dredges in many cases, or quarried at huge expense using DERV powered machinery.
Ships use the most pulluting, crap, junk filled fuel on the planet, just the output of an average 20,000 tonner cargo ship produces more pollution than a week of nose to tail traffic in London.

No one seems to take any notice of the TCO of anything that has to be shipped into the country. In fact there's plenty of evidence that the old triple expansion steam ships fueled by coal polluted less than oil fired Motor Vessels.

Pulled off the 'net:

The shipping industry is responsible for a significant proportion of the global climate change problem. More than three percent of global carbon dioxide emissions can be attributed to ocean-going ships. This is an amount comparable to major carbon-emitting countries — and the industry continues to grow rapidly.

In fact, if global shipping were a country, it would be the sixth largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions. Only the United States, China, Russia, India and Japan emit more carbon dioxide than the world’s shipping fleet. Nevertheless, carbon dioxide emissions from ocean-going vessels are currently unregulated.

You need to make an omelette you have to break some eggs. I prefer building a house with zero future energy requirements. There are moves to make more environmentally friendly concrete and plaster alternatives, no reason why UK can't lead on that technology. I would support shorter supply lines maybe we can do that with the new technology?

Passivehaus for instance is more about engineering it correctly

https://passiv.de/en/02_informations...quirements.htm

[Lost It]

How would the government mandating all new builds must be measurably Carbon zero to get planning affect the industry?

I suspect that is an easy way to improve our housing stock.

Follow up in a few years that major extensions need to be retrofit greener.

Well if you consider that one of the most used products on the planet, concrete, has a huge impact on pollution, that's a bit of a false hope. Construction by definition will never be "green" because of the materials used, the fuels used, the pollution created by supplying those materials, the gas used making bricks and blocks, even the burners heating up the tarmac to get to the site, anyone that even tries to convince you that building anything isn't damaging the planet is trying to sell you fog.

Sustainable materials indeed. No such thing. Even plasterboard damages the planet. Then there's how do these materials get to the site? By ship and road transport. By train if it's aggregate? Pulled out of the ocean by derv powered dredges in many cases, or quarried at huge expense using DERV powered machinery.
Ships use the most pulluting, crap, junk filled fuel on the planet, just the output of an average 20,000 tonner cargo ship produces more pollution than a week of nose to tail traffic in London.

No one seems to take any notice of the TCO of anything that has to be shipped into the country. In fact there's plenty of evidence that the old triple expansion steam ships fueled by coal polluted less than oil fired Motor Vessels.

Pulled off the 'net:

The shipping industry is responsible for a significant proportion of the global climate change problem. More than three percent of global carbon dioxide emissions can be attributed to ocean-going ships. This is an amount comparable to major carbon-emitting countries — and the industry continues to grow rapidly.

In fact, if global shipping were a country, it would be the sixth largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions. Only the United States, China, Russia, India and Japan emit more carbon dioxide than the world’s shipping fleet. Nevertheless, carbon dioxide emissions from ocean-going vessels are currently unregulated.

[Lost It]

Hope we never go back to the days of cleaning fag ash out of IBM clacker keyboards...

[jamesbrown]

cryptocretin miner.

[_V_]

Somewhere south of the amount taken to mine one cryptocretin coin.

Gold mine.



Crypto mine

[jamesbrown]

Burning oil? FFS how much carbon is that spewing into the atmosphere, how many deg C will the planet heat by after that?

Somewhere south of the amount taken to mine one cryptocretin coin.

[_V_]

Ordered 1000l of oil yesterday.
Price a couple of weeks back was around £1+VAT
BoilerJuice was 90p+VAT
Contacted the main supplier and got 82p+VAT

It seems that they are a bit quiet, as the usual 2 week lead time for the lowest price is actually 4 days.

Burning oil? FFS how much carbon is that spewing into the atmosphere, how many deg C will the planet heat by after that?

[WTFH]

Ordered 1000l of oil yesterday.
Price a couple of weeks back was around £1+VAT
BoilerJuice was 90p+VAT
Contacted the main supplier and got 82p+VAT

It seems that they are a bit quiet, as the usual 2 week lead time for the lowest price is actually 4 days.

[Whorty]

Finally out of the closet or should we say Salon?

Us metrosexuals have never been in the closet .. we're comfortable with our sexuality

[vetran]

Sod that, I'm not selling my TTRS roadster

I have a reputable hair dresser image to keep

Finally out of the closet or should we say Salon?

[Whorty]

Peugeot RCZ instead of an Audi TT.

Sod that, I'm not selling my TTRS roadster

I have a reputable hair dresser image to keep

[vetran]

Always been presumed in my industry that once the building starts slowing down the country is truly in a recession.

Now I can quite see many major road building, and possibly railway works being upended/stopped/cancelled to help fill the hole, from my point of view I have never been so busy, the 4M's are all in place, Motivation, Manpower, Materials, Money that are needed for construction to carry on, and I'm refusing work left right and centre because I really need to take a bit of time off, and I don't feel that it is risky at the moment to turn down work.

But whilst there is building and cranes above the skyline in the major cities, the country is still turning money over. No-one can see into the future but I do know contracts are still being awarded, even contracts we call "Framework" which means basically Government jobs. Some framework jobs for MOJ have been held off, and some unexpected ones are cropping up.

So I'm not seeing a recession just yet, a slowing down in my trade perhaps but it always tends to slow down around Xmas.

How would the government mandating all new builds must be measurably Carbon zero to get planning affect the industry?

I suspect that is an easy way to improve our housing stock.

Follow up in a few years that major extensions need to be retrofit greener.

[_V_]

Peugeot RCZ instead of an Audi TT.