Reply to: Bob Crowe 2.0

[SueEllen]

It's bloody Google using the leccy so no homes can be built in West London
https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/...cident_report/

Google has revealed the root cause of the outage that disrupted services at its europe-west2-a zone, based in London, during a recent heatwave.

"One of the datacenters that hosts zone europe-west2-a could not maintain a safe operating temperature due to a simultaneous failure of multiple, redundant cooling systems combined with the extraordinarily high outside temperatures," states Google's incident report.

[Gibbon]

A competent resettling might work now, the North might even become posh!

Don't you bring Sussex up here. BTW today is Yorkshire Day, celebrating stuffing the French & freeing slaves.

Yorkshire Day - Wikipedia

[vetran]

That includes accounting for leaks.Though the leaks don't help.

What I posted isn't new they have know for decades there is an issue with water and the other infrastructural things you've mentioned that will limit the amount of housing they can build in the South of England. Hence these weak initiatives to have things like the Northern Power House.

Actually as post covid so many people can work from home with regional hubs its not completely stupid to spread out and there is plenty of ex factory land.

A competent resettling might work now, the North might even become posh!

[SueEllen]

Does that include accounting for the leaks, or what actually reaches the taps?

That includes accounting for leaks.Though the leaks don't help.

What I posted isn't new they have know for decades there is an issue with water and the other infrastructural things you've mentioned that will limit the amount of housing they can build in the South of England. Hence these weak initiatives to have things like the Northern Power House.

[vetran]

Yes, like building new power stations, schools & hospitals. None of which are profit-making. So it’s easier to promise 40 new hospitals then change the definition of new to mean “redecorate” and hospital to mean “ward”.

we can redefine invest as popping it on the credit card. World leading into world serving etc. ok that is a bit old hat sort of thing older governments did.

[ladymuck]

One major problem that the current weather is highlighting as a massive problem that limits building more dwellings anywhere in the South of England and even southern Scotland is water.

We don't have enough water for current residents so we actually need the government to do it's Northern Power House thing to dispense people all over the UK.

Does that include accounting for the leaks, or what actually reaches the taps?

[SueEllen]

I read in the Torygraph yesterday that some housing developments in West London can't go ahead for another decade because the national grid can't support the extra energy demand. Turns out a load of data centers being built along the M4 corridor has snaffled capacity, with one DC taking as much as 10k homes.

I think it's easy to forget that that building housing isn't just about the land, bricks and mortar. There's a whole heap of infrastructure challenges that seem to not be being more widely aired and discussed.

One major problem that the current weather is highlighting as a massive problem that limits building more dwellings anywhere in the South of England and even southern Scotland is water.

We don't have enough water for current residents so we actually need the government to do it's Northern Power House thing to dispense people all over the UK.

[WTFH]

I think it's easy to forget that that building housing isn't just about the land, bricks and mortar. There's a whole heap of infrastructure challenges that seem to not be being more widely aired and discussed.

Yes, like building new power stations, schools & hospitals. None of which are profit-making. So it’s easier to promise 40 new hospitals then change the definition of new to mean “redecorate” and hospital to mean “ward”.

[ladymuck]

I read in the Torygraph yesterday that some housing developments in West London can't go ahead for another decade because the national grid can't support the extra energy demand. Turns out a load of data centers being built along the M4 corridor has snaffled capacity, with one DC taking as much as 10k homes.

I think it's easy to forget that that building housing isn't just about the land, bricks and mortar. There's a whole heap of infrastructure challenges that seem to not be being more widely aired and discussed.

[vetran]

Lots of good points here but none solve the housing crises for social housing which would mean we would not care if he had one or not.

The way to solve it is this ....


Not only allow councils to build, but if someone does RTB then the council is obligated to build 2 more properties of equal or greater size before the next RTB can be sold. And not before, thus forcing councils to actually do this or they will get voted out with a council who will.

Councils should also be allowed to make compulsory purchases on Business sites but only where land/offices that are only 50% let or less. This is how they get the land in those inner cities to build with. They get the money from emergency sink funds to be released (often they have loads of money in there they cannot access) but only for these new builds.

As there will be a lead time to build these new properties it won't crash the market when new builds start appearing. Over time prices will stabilise and thus people will be able to afford normal non-99% mortgages like we used to have. Thus helping even careful people avoid negative equity in bad times. Not all, but better than now.

In addition, as councils will be coming after those private land bankers office block hoarders, to ensure they get over that 50% and maintain it these hoarders will need to let to small business for at least 80% (cannot risk lower or they could get caught out). This gaming actually reduces the rent for Businesses everywhere as they covert anyone to lease it from them (there is a market you know) including the high street, which hopefully makes the high street viable again and reduces the chances of ghost town communities.

Therefore to house the homeless and keep out small businesses alive, you know a community, councils must be able too...

• Be allowed to access emergency sink funds that are usually reserved for when Putin nukes us and its way too late anyway.
• Be allowed to purchase under-used private Business land/offices that is used less than 50% without some nimby losing their mind over it.
• Have this independently checked by approved regulators as either side could abuse it. Tough one this, but gotta start the movement somehow.
• Be allowed to build on it depending upon if they sell the RTB in a 1 for 2 ratio.
• Rinse and repeat.

I know this will drive some of you mad as some of you really want people to suffer, but unless you want people pooing on the pavement like they do in San Fran then we need to build and private industry has failed. So, only the councils can do it but currently, they are prevented from doing so.

Actually I doubt most people want those in need to suffer, I'm happy with a few fat cats going on a diet!

Thanks for the comments. But trusting the councils is ambitious almost none of them could arrange a p1ss up in a brewery hence section 106. Sluff managed to go bankrupt with the legal right to jail its debtors, sadly its not unusual.

The big issue is that we have insufficient dwellings for our population, we need about 2-3 million more. This makes the cost of a property too expensive. Yes we have too few social dwellings but if the cost of rent was half the current cost most people on low pay wouldn't need social housing. As you say we need to bust the land bankers and understand office buildings are toast due to WFH.

So the government need to step up. Build houses like after the war and reduce population growth.

I would stop RTB discounts but offer security on mortgages for those on the way up.

[LazyFan]

Lots of good points here but none solve the housing crises for social housing which would mean we would not care if he had one or not.

The way to solve it is this ....


Not only allow councils to build, but if someone does RTB then the council is obligated to build 2 more properties of equal or greater size before the next RTB can be sold. And not before, thus forcing councils to actually do this or they will get voted out with a council who will.

Councils should also be allowed to make compulsory purchases on Business sites but only where land/offices that are only 50% let or less. This is how they get the land in those inner cities to build with. They get the money from emergency sink funds to be released (often they have loads of money in there they cannot access) but only for these new builds.

As there will be a lead time to build these new properties it won't crash the market when new builds start appearing. Over time prices will stabilise and thus people will be able to afford normal non-99% mortgages like we used to have. Thus helping even careful people avoid negative equity in bad times. Not all, but better than now.

In addition, as councils will be coming after those private land bankers office block hoarders, to ensure they get over that 50% and maintain it these hoarders will need to let to small business for at least 80% (cannot risk lower or they could get caught out). This gaming actually reduces the rent for Businesses everywhere as they covert anyone to lease it from them (there is a market you know) including the high street, which hopefully makes the high street viable again and reduces the chances of ghost town communities.

Therefore to house the homeless and keep out small businesses alive, you know a community, councils must be able too...

• Be allowed to access emergency sink funds that are usually reserved for when Putin nukes us and its way too late anyway.
• Be allowed to purchase under-used private Business land/offices that is used less than 50% without some nimby losing their mind over it.
• Have this independently checked by approved regulators as either side could abuse it. Tough one this, but gotta start the movement somehow.
• Be allowed to build on it depending upon if they sell the RTB in a 1 for 2 ratio.
• Rinse and repeat.

I know this will drive some of you mad as some of you really want people to suffer, but unless you want people pooing on the pavement like they do in San Fran then we need to build and private industry has failed. So, only the councils can do it but currently, they are prevented from doing so.

[vetran]

Shhhh.
No one has told Vet that his side lost WWII yet.

My side? I wasn't even born, if you mean my Grandparents side yes they won freedom for the world at great personal risk to themselves and with significant help from our colonies and commonwealth.

We then lost the peace because we rebuilt our enemies industry not ours and we now happily buy from companies that made millions from the Axis powers in WWII. Enjoy your BMW/Audi/VW or Boss suit or German drugs.

[sadkingbilly]

strange they have just promoted me! maybe just a little of me is worth a lot of money!

ah, a permie! that explains the constant stream of pish.

[vetran]

We aren't in the pandemic.

I prefer to have more families with kids housed in a decent permanent home than living in a one room hostel/B&B

And no communal gardens and playgrounds are fine as they make good use of space plus children can play with each other - that is as long as there isn't a poor door.

and they can find all the syringes and broken vodka bottles that are left in communal areas.

When did you become an expert in social housing and deprivation?

[vetran]

judging by the sheer volume of pish you post daily, you have an issue doing any work, too

strange they have just promoted me! maybe just a little of me is worth a lot of money!