Reply to: Tax the childless

[vetran]

So, you're admitting that you lied about your claim of "opening the flood gates"
Sorry you find facts hard to understand, but you've said you don't want people doing work as it ruins the economy and you don't want people on benefits, and you don't want homeless ex-forces, so how about having social housing for the homeless, and preventing private landlords from charging exorbitant rents?
If you're saying that no one can afford to work for low wages, then why vote for parties that don't want to raise minimum wages? Why talk about the hospitality industry if it's full of agents taking big margins to get people jobs?

OK for the hard of thinking or those just messing.

I said that is what you want to do. I didn't lie I just see you & others proposing importing labour to undercut the locals. This is what has been happening for decades and the resulting stagnation of wages and the pressure on housing & services have deprived the population of the lifestyle they deserve. If you doubt this is the case look at Gate Gourmet or truck drivers.

The change of the UK's ethnicity in 50 years is pretty startling, in only 10 years its changed by millions. We haven't managed that we have too few houses for the population before a three fold increase in immigration since 1990.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...rewherearewego ing/2020-03-27

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/bri...-uk-population


I don't want anyone homeless or starving however it does seem that we are failing our ex forces by not housing them because they are single & childless (that is how the rules work) giving a preference to someone who arrives with kids. VA hospitals & housing would not be a bad idea then maybe fewer of our service personnel would kill themselves or end up as addicts
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We need to build more houses, reduce population growth until we can service it.

I am a fan of social housing however once in it they subsidise for your life and your children's lives , a council house can be as valuable as a lottery win. Then we sell them off so there are none for the homeless. How do you fix that? You have no tax money anymore.


Globalisation has dropped company taxes 1970 = 4-4.5%, now 1% of GDP. Automation will drop personal taxes.

https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/key-questi...nged-over-time


If you want to subsidise large multinationals so they can pay below subsistence wages go ahead. With Automation they will be able to do that in 10 years anyway so why not get in ahead and make them pay decent wages so automation via government assistance (so we get to tax it) is attractive.

This line seems pretty straight

oddly it is steeper when those nasty Tories are in! Maybe labour forgot about the minimum wage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...April_2016.svg

I'm talking about Hospitality, Airports & Airlines as they have reaped the whirlwind of them abusing staff, fire & rehire stops being effective when staff can vote with their feet. You keep feeling sorry for those nice rich multinationals and keep allowing them to screw workers while paying little tax I will continue to suggest there is another way!

If you are worried about the Trumphole countries many of these economic migrants come from it makes sense for us to trade with them and drag them out of despotism. If their most adventurous citizens are coming over here they are hardly going to improve are they?

[WTFH]

Enoch Powell who predicted volume of immigration, positive discrimination, race riots, inequality, use of race as a weapon to prevent justice.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...ong-15854.html

His batting average is slightly higher than most. Sadly no one wanted to hear it and the face of our country is changed forever without a plan or a care for the consequences. We can't even build enough houses for the newcomers.

Have you seen the homeless numbers where half are of foreign birth and a third are ex forces (depending on area). Thankyou for your service now lay quietly in that doorway.

I have said I don't want illegal immigrants / bogus asylum seekers to come to the country. Desperate to support your generous spending of others money you decide to smear me by attempting to bring race into it again & again.

There isn't a shortage of labour.

There is a shortage of people willing to do crap jobs for crap wages. The reason hospitality & Airports can't get any workers is that the pay is near minimum wage and the jobs are pants oh don't forget they tried sacking and rehiring at lower wages I imagine that has built confidence in prospective employees. I have linked to a number of reports and sources that demonstrate this and reputable employers who are offering basic big company benefits who are having few problems getting reasonable staff.

Cheap labour is not good for our economy its subsidised by the tax payer so it ends up a cost we all subsidise so large multinationals can make massive profits overseas.
Sorry you find these facts hard to understand. Do we need crayons?

I do wonder, we all gasped at the audacity of P&O sacking everyone to cut costs but you want to make it Country policy...

So, you're admitting that you lied about your claim of "opening the flood gates"
Sorry you find facts hard to understand, but you've said you don't want people doing work as it ruins the economy and you don't want people on benefits, and you don't want homeless ex-forces, so how about having social housing for the homeless, and preventing private landlords from charging exorbitant rents?
If you're saying that no one can afford to work for low wages, then why vote for parties that don't want to raise minimum wages? Why talk about the hospitality industry if it's full of agents taking big margins to get people jobs?

[vetran]

Please, Enoch Powell, point me to where I said “opening the flood gates”

You’re the one who has said that you don’t want immigrants to contribute to the economy, at a time when we have unfilled job vacancies, you want them to be living off tax payers, the same tax payers who then pay for them to leave the country.

Enoch Powell who predicted volume of immigration, positive discrimination, race riots, inequality, use of race as a weapon to prevent justice.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...ong-15854.html

His batting average is slightly higher than most. Sadly no one wanted to hear it and the face of our country is changed forever without a plan or a care for the consequences. We can't even build enough houses for the newcomers.

Have you seen the homeless numbers where half are of foreign birth and a third are ex forces (depending on area). Thankyou for your service now lay quietly in that doorway.

I have said I don't want illegal immigrants / bogus asylum seekers to come to the country. Desperate to support your generous spending of others money you decide to smear me by attempting to bring race into it again & again.

There isn't a shortage of labour.

There is a shortage of people willing to do crap jobs for crap wages. The reason hospitality & Airports can't get any workers is that the pay is near minimum wage and the jobs are pants oh don't forget they tried sacking and rehiring at lower wages I imagine that has built confidence in prospective employees. I have linked to a number of reports and sources that demonstrate this and reputable employers who are offering basic big company benefits who are having few problems getting reasonable staff.

Cheap labour is not good for our economy its subsidised by the tax payer so it ends up a cost we all subsidise so large multinationals can make massive profits overseas.
Sorry you find these facts hard to understand. Do we need crayons?

I do wonder, we all gasped at the audacity of P&O sacking everyone to cut costs but you want to make it Country policy...

[WTFH]

Well you all seem to think opening the flood gates is the solution

Please, Enoch Powell, point me to where I said “opening the flood gates”

You’re the one who has said that you don’t want immigrants to contribute to the economy, at a time when we have unfilled job vacancies, you want them to be living off tax payers, the same tax payers who then pay for them to leave the country.

[vetran]

Whether you was a so called slapper or not was clearly not your choice.

Why would i need a notebook? I wasn't the one bragging about the girls I've slept with, that was you fella.

Actually it was ,I have turned down a few women in my time.

I wasn't bragging just pointing out I liked unattached females.

[Whorty]

no I'm not that much of a slapper I can't remember my dalliances.

If you need a notebook its probably the dementia!

Whether you was a so called slapper or not was clearly not your choice.

Why would i need a notebook? I wasn't the one bragging about the girls I've slept with, that was you fella.

[vetran]

So, a thread about taxing people who don't have kids has turned into another rant from you about fixing asylum seeking.

If you don't want to import cheap labour, how much would you, personally, pay for your care?

And if you want to deter immigration, then you'll need to educate potential immigrants (so that they have other languages apart from their own and English) and then make sure that we're not involved in making them want to flee their native land because of war, etc.

Well you all seem to think opening the flood gates is the solution but Sue Ellen is all for installing a Carousel for immigrants, even she realise it isn't a valid endgame. Now if it has a young Jenny Agutter in a tunic I will watch.

We need to educate them, set the bar high then. A couple of episodes of benefit street should have them running for the hills.

Though I'm not a fan of getting involved in Iraq, Syria and especially Afghanistan and our atrocious exit strategy, should we have stood by why they performed genocide, or should we only act when the victims are white europeans?

Obviously any country that we ever had as part of the Empire is all our fault, if they go back to murdering each other after we leave. I mean Lord Mountbatten begged the Indians to live with each other instead they slaughtered a million plus of their countrymen because of their sky chums. You realise before we arrived they were slaughtering each other in similarly large numbers because their chieftain told them to? Oh and their sky faeries.

Actually that seems to be a common thread, murdering your fellow man is frequently linked to faith, maybe forget Asylum abuse, lets ban faith! It would improve the earth overnight! No more catholic kiddy fiddlers, pervert priests or Amish abuse no more far right Christians of out with their patriotic AKs to the local school. No more murdering fellow muslims or christians because they are the wrong sect! I think I'm on to something there! We could celebrate the fact we are all humans (with a few exceptions on the Brexit thread) and love one another (not in the priesthood to little kiddies way). Remove the guilt assumed by belief the Incels might even get laid.It could work.


You know Shaka Zulu before we got there was murdered by his half brothers? So bible like. The deaths before we got there were epic. We just had better weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_Kingdom


I want peace and trade with the rest of the world so most people can enjoy posterity.

Whatever we have been doing we need to do more of it world poverty is falling. Maybe if we carry on people won't want to move to the UK because they are paid more at home. They don't have to put up with the rain and the miserable old buffers needing their arse wiping.

https://devinit.org/resources/povert...20698,live%20b elow%20%245.50%20a%20day.

[vetran]

You had a dream?

well he is wet!

[vetran]

Oooh, get you. Do you have a list in a notebook? Good on ya

no I'm not that much of a slapper I can't remember my dalliances.

If you need a notebook its probably the dementia!

[Whorty]

Whorty you reminded me of this

[Zigenare]

The reasons for asylum are the countries they are fleeing from are being destroyed as East and West use these countries as a battle ground. The 'solution' you talk about doesn't fix that fella.

The solution is to stop these stupid wars. Allow poorer countries to catch up and prosper. To share global wealth. But there is too much protectionism - you B***t voters are all for protecting what we have and not let others be like us. I'm the opposite - open up boarders. Share knowledge, share wealth. Until we start to do that then we will continue to have economic migration, as humans have done for centuries, and who blames them. In their shoes I would too.

A short term solution to remove the need to risk lives and fill the pockets of smugglers is as I said above ... go to these war torn desperate countries (not the phillipines as you try to deflect to in your weak argument) and offer the work that we have shortages in and fly them here safely and legally.

Oooh, but can't do that as your lot would be in uproar.

If economic migrants are willing to follow our rules to enter our country then they should be welcomed.

[SueEllen]

Whorty you reminded me of this

[Whorty]

It was intended to highlight the irony of designer babies and the way we rape those countries less fortunate.

Unlike some here I don't want to import cheap staff to wipe old people's arses. Though there are plenty here to wipe covered in big jobbies!

Not one of you has said lets fix the reasons for asylum seeking? David Cameron said that a decade ago, provide camps close to the conflict but in neighbouring countries guarded by the UN. Process Asylum there as appropriate, share the talent among the rest of the world.

The reasons for asylum are the countries they are fleeing from are being destroyed as East and West use these countries as a battle ground. The 'solution' you talk about doesn't fix that fella.

The solution is to stop these stupid wars. Allow poorer countries to catch up and prosper. To share global wealth. But there is too much protectionism - you B***t voters are all for protecting what we have and not let others be like us. I'm the opposite - open up boarders. Share knowledge, share wealth. Until we start to do that then we will continue to have economic migration, as humans have done for centuries, and who blames them. In their shoes I would too.

A short term solution to remove the need to risk lives and fill the pockets of smugglers is as I said above ... go to these war torn desperate countries (not the phillipines as you try to deflect to in your weak argument) and offer the work that we have shortages in and fly them here safely and legally.

Oooh, but can't do that as your lot would be in uproar.

[SueEllen]

Someone mention me?

You had a dream?

[Whorty]

.. high status .. with the most desirable males being regularly milked <snip>

Someone mention me?