Reply to: Racist SUVs

[vetran]

Bad arguments.

I'm not interested in America, whose whole education system is vastly different to our own, in a country that still thinks a racial divide is acceptable.

Good schools exist in better off areas because people pay more to get their kids into the catchment areas for those schools. However there shouldn't be good or bad schools, they only exist because the bad schools, for various reasons, can't attract the best teachers. They are all working to the same curriculum after all, but disinterested pupils will drag the whole school down. So the question is, why are there disinterested pupils?

Sadly the answer is bad teachers and poorly motivated parents.

I was raised in leafy surrey and went to a school in a poorish area , only a few teachers reached me once BAT results put me in the top class after being regulated to the bottom class by the teachers against my parents objections. Most people in the top class were middle class the ones in the bottom classes were working class (not many ethnic minorities around 50 years ago).

The schools round Slough that were failing haven't changed their catchment areas or been gold plated to become graded outstanding, they just sacked most of the crap teachers when they became academies. Over half of my daughters' class were 'ethnic majorities' (in Slough) the rest are either eastern european or white British.

The Academies also take more interest in the parents and see them as partners in education.

[vetran]

It most certainly can do. White kids in America for example, have about $2000 a year per student more spent on their education compared to black children due to the way that schools are funded through property taxes.

In the UK, research has shown a strong correlation between good schools and higher house prices, especially at secondary level. This can impact children's opportunities and given that a large proportion of people in lower income backgrounds are from ethic minorities, this can have a big impact on later social mobility. Children from more affluent homes go to better schools, get better jobs and buy better homes and so the cycle continues.

So in the US schools in good areas get more spent on them so it must be the same in the UK with a different funding system.

Many outstanding Academies are established in poor areas.

[vetran]

It isn't as simple at that. The Hindus who are in the UK tend to be middle class while the Pakistani Muslims tend to be working class. Sikhs are a complete mixture. Remember India has a caste system.

now that is an interesting suggestion maybe class plays a part? It certainly does with whites.

[vetran]

Citation needed.

Could you provide a Daily Mail link to prove UK white people are being ****ed over by immigrants?

I don't have to, that isn't what I said - are you from poor white stock so your education achievements are worse than others?

[SueEllen]

YES

Apparently Scottish state education use to be amongst the best in Europe...

[Gibbon]

Are you suggesting that the UK government is NOT largely made up of very wealthy individuals who inherited their wealth and got an expensive education, who have succeeded because of the wealth, education and who they know. That our government is the most intelligent people in the land?

YES

[malvolio]

It most certainly can do. White kids in America for example, have about $2000 a year per student more spent on their education compared to black children due to the way that schools are funded through property taxes.

In the UK, research has shown a strong correlation between good schools and higher house prices, especially at secondary level. This can impact children's opportunities and given that a large proportion of people in lower income backgrounds are from ethic minorities, this can have a big impact on later social mobility. Children from more affluent homes go to better schools, get better jobs and buy better homes and so the cycle continues.

Bad arguments.

I'm not interested in America, whose whole education system is vastly different to our own, in a country that still thinks a racial divide is acceptable.

Good schools exist in better off areas because people pay more to get their kids into the catchment areas for those schools. However there shouldn't be good or bad schools, they only exist because the bad schools, for various reasons, can't attract the best teachers. They are all working to the same curriculum after all, but disinterested pupils will drag the whole school down. So the question is, why are there disinterested pupils?

[d000hg]

Being poor/white/green/ polkadot/Somalian/whatever-you-fancy-this-week does not make you educationally disadvantaged. It's parental influence and peer pressure as much as anything does that

No, but there's often just a strong correlation. That's what WP is/means. And of course, ethnic children typically have parents and peer groups from the same demographic which means cultural aspects are perpetuated too.

[TheDude]

White privilege is just open racism

Citation needed.

Could you provide a Daily Mail link to prove UK white people are being ****ed over by immigrants?

[TheDude]

Are you suggesting that the UK government is NOT largely made up of very wealthy individuals who inherited their wealth and got an expensive education, who have succeeded because of the wealth, education and who they know. That our government is the most intelligent people in the land?

Ditto the media.

[edison]

Being poor/white/green/ polkadot/Somalian/whatever-you-fancy-this-week does not make you educationally disadvantaged. It's parental influence and peer pressure as much as anything does that. If you don't have a work ethic to drive you to achieve, or fear ridicule from the bigger boys if you are good at something non-physical, or believe you can have anything you fancy without effort, then you will fail regardless of where you sit in the demography of the country.

It most certainly can do. White kids in America for example, have about $2000 a year per student more spent on their education compared to black children due to the way that schools are funded through property taxes.

In the UK, research has shown a strong correlation between good schools and higher house prices, especially at secondary level. This can impact children's opportunities and given that a large proportion of people in lower income backgrounds are from ethic minorities, this can have a big impact on later social mobility. Children from more affluent homes go to better schools, get better jobs and buy better homes and so the cycle continues.

[SueEllen]

White privilege is just open racism as discussed above. Lets have Turban privilege or Ming Dynasty Privilege? AS mentioned North Asians aren't statisticly better at

70 years ago India and Pakistan were formed via the partition because Muslims couldn't live next door to Sikhs & Hindu (& vice versa in some cases). For centuries they had lived next door to each other. Now Sikhs / Hindus perform well in education & employment and Pakistanis noticeably less. Is that race or culture?

It isn't as simple at that. The Hindus who are in the UK tend to be middle class while the Pakistani Muslims tend to be working class. Sikhs are a complete mixture. Remember India has a caste system.

[vetran]

Exactly. Middle-class privilege is also a thing in the UK. White privilege is more of a US thing though not solely.


You have that entirely backwards. It's not an excuse or an explanation, it's simply showing demographic-related differences. A lot of this may be classified broadly as "sins of the father" - if your family is disadvantaged for whatever reason (north/south, black/white, rich/poor, etc) then their children are disadvantaged. You need to identify which demographics this is to try and break the cycle of generational deprivation.

White privilege is just open racism as discussed above. Lets have Turban privilege or Ming Dynasty Privilege? AS mentioned North Asians aren't statisticly better at

70 years ago India and Pakistan were formed via the partition because Muslims couldn't live next door to Sikhs & Hindu (& vice versa in some cases). For centuries they had lived next door to each other. Now Sikhs / Hindus perform well in education & employment and Pakistanis noticeably less. Is that race or culture?

[SueEllen]

Are you suggesting that the UK government is NOT largely made up of very wealthy individuals who inherited their wealth and got an expensive education, who have succeeded because of the wealth, education and who they know. That our government is the most intelligent people in the land?

You are fully aware that if they were intelligent they wouldn't be in government they would just bung them a few million quid.

[WTFH]

Being poor/white/green/ polkadot/Somalian/whatever-you-fancy-this-week does not make you educationally disadvantaged. It's parental influence and peer pressure as much as anything does that. If you don't have a work ethic to drive you to achieve, or fear ridicule from the bigger boys if you are good at something non-physical, or believe you can have anything you fancy without effort, then you will fail regardless of where you sit in the demography of the country.

Are you suggesting that the UK government is NOT largely made up of very wealthy individuals who inherited their wealth and got an expensive education, who have succeeded because of the wealth, education and who they know. That our government is the most intelligent people in the land?