Would we be better off if we had allowed fracking?

[lorakeen]

The cladding was a cost-cutting way of getting round rules - don't blame check boxes for that.

How do you explain the lack of sprinklers or an escape path, was that also due to "green commissions"?

Or bad organization, people being told to stay in. The whole thing was a massive cluster**** that costed people's lives.

[vetran]

The cladding was a cost-cutting way of getting round rules - don't blame check boxes for that.

How do you explain the lack of sprinklers or an escape path, was that also due to "green commissions"?

The cladding bypassed the basic concept used on high rises of each flat being a sealed block.

Yes it seems they ignored most of the fire rules as well, it may have had something to do with stopping fire brigades doing the inspections and letting private firms just tick the boxes. I smell a few corporate manslaughter cases there too hopefully.

[WTFH]

remember Grenfell?
The cladding on it- highly flammable and the main reason for most of the deaths was approved by one of those green commissions because it checked their boxes.

The cladding was a cost-cutting way of getting round rules - don't blame check boxes for that.

How do you explain the lack of sprinklers or an escape path, was that also due to "green commissions"?

[Gibbon]

I am very green, haven't had my heating on since May

Heating on in May! you wastrel, mine comes on on Xmas eve and goes off on boxing day!

[vetran]

remember Grenfell?
The cladding on it- highly flammable and the main reason for most of the deaths was approved by one of those green commissions because it checked their boxes.

And it was banned by the Germans, had repeatedly been involved in near disasters and disasters around the world. A few people from the building standards team should be facing corporate manslaughter charges.

[lorakeen]

Very much in favour of tackling climate change but think there's been too much box ticking. It will take a while before we can stop using gas altogether and it would have made more sense to be more reliant on our own resources in the interim period. It isn't how much gas we generate but how much we use that is the problem. Just becoming more dependant on foreign resources wasn't going to solve anything.

Similarly with other goods, it isn't what we produce that drives climate change but what we consume. Importing goods from China or emerging countries that understandably don't see climate change as the main priority does not help. Not only may they be less efficient in production but we have to add in the effects of fuel consumed during transport.

remember Grenfell?
The cladding on it- highly flammable and the main reason for most of the deaths was approved by one of those green commissions because it checked their boxes.

[SueEllen]

I was talking more about location of demand vs location of generation in a simplistic way rather than literally

It's similar with water.

[vetran]

I was talking more about location of demand vs location of generation in a simplistic way rather than literally

You mean the vision of Xoggy in a cold shower isn't getting your motor running?

We need storage, green energy is glut & famine we know we need to smooth it out. Hydro or hydrogen storage is possibly the answer.

[ladymuck]

I think we are all too greedy. Just consume without caring about the consequences. I am very green, haven't had my heating on since May and have been having cold showers for months. Don't buy much either.

PS Mainly cos I'm a mean old bastard obviously.

I was talking more about location of demand vs location of generation in a simplistic way rather than literally

[xoggoth]

the south of England is energy greedy

I think we are all too greedy. Just consume without caring about the consequences. I am very green, haven't had my heating on since May and have been having cold showers for months. Don't buy much either.

PS Mainly cos I'm a mean old bastard obviously.

[ladymuck]

There's also the issue that, in the blind chasing of carbon targets, HMG decided in its wisdom that we didn't need to retain decent gas storage levels. If we hadn't reduced those then we'd be in a better position.

It's quite interesting that we have lots of wind power but we have to pay the Scottish wind farms to turn the turbines off because the energy they generate can't be used where it's needed. Scotland's nice and windy but the south of England is energy greedy (to put it in simple terms) and it seems those designing our renewable energy systems didn't factor that in very well.

[xoggoth]

Very much in favour of tackling climate change but think there's been too much box ticking. It will take a while before we can stop using gas altogether and it would have made more sense to be more reliant on our own resources in the interim period. It isn't how much gas we generate but how much we use that is the problem. Just becoming more dependant on foreign resources wasn't going to solve anything.

Similarly with other goods, it isn't what we produce that drives climate change but what we consume. Importing goods from China or emerging countries that understandably don't see climate change as the main priority does not help. Not only may they be less efficient in production but we have to add in the effects of fuel consumed during transport.