Reply to: 8 million jobs available in America!

[Whorty]

well at last you are honest.

I do care that is where we differ.

Assuming you talk to people behind the counter like you do in your post I bet you eat a lot more spit & tulip than you realise.

I treat everyone the same, and with respect, and I always tip well. But good for you fighting their corner, on a random UK internet forum - yep, that should change the world for them

[vetran]

Quite frankly, I couldn't give two hoots how much manual/unskilled workers earn.

well at last you are honest.

I do care that is where we differ.

Assuming you talk to people behind the counter like you do in your post I bet you eat a lot more spit & tulip than you realise.

[Whorty]

A. The EU staff were willing to work for less as there is a wage premium compared to home.

Simple supply and demand.

B. As a result the wages fell and no brits wanted to work for what are slave wages for established brits.

Supply and demand in jobs with little to no barrier to entry.

C. Brexit & Covid have driven the EU cheap labour back home.

Ok, so the supply has reduced. Isn't that what you wanted?

D. Hauliers, Farmers & hospitality employers are bemoaning the fact no one wants to work for pathetic wages. They are now forced to put up the wages (oh capitalism - supply & demand) - boo hoo!

With a reduced supply in workers, and demand higher, wages will have to go up. Isn't this what you wanted? So why are you whinging?

E. Warty & co are agreeing that employers should pay tulip wages that are basically slavery.

Nope. But I am happy with supply and demand dictating salaries. Quite frankly, I couldn't give two hoots how much manual/unskilled workers earn.

F. Warty suggests that if people don't want to work for crap wages they should get another job (which is exactly what has happened).

If this is what has happened, and presumably the workers are happy with that, then why are you so angry?

I'm actually a compassionate capitalist. I want the market to decide on many things and a government on others. As far as importing cheap labour so those on the bottom rung are pushed into a swamp I don't agree both because its unfair and because the rest of the citizens will subsidise the employers as we can't allow people to starve because their employers won't pay a fair wage.

I don't know about you being an oxymoron, but you are certainly a moron.

I want the market to decide on many things and a government on others. As far as importing cheap labour so those on the bottom rung are pushed into a swamp I don't agree both because its unfair and because the rest of the citizens will subsidise the employers as we can't allow people to starve because their employers won't pay a fair wage.

Cake and eat it?

If you think that is communism you are a bit thick.

No, what I really think is you have no idea what you are talking about.

By the way communism is normally symbolised by those at the top who don't fight for those at the bottom because they are afraid. Sounds like you are afraid.

Cool, you think I'm at the top Now, when you're ready, can I have my order of burger and fries now?

[vetran]

Hmmm, I support slavery? Inneresting.

If these workers don't want to work for these salaries, they can choose not to. Then the employers will have to pay more, and the result will be the goods will cost more and inflation will go up (but I'm relaxed with that, makes no difference to me).

Work skills are supply and demand, which is why some of us with niche skills can change a premium because there is a demand for us and little supply. There is a barrier to entry to certain jobs, not to others.

You seem to vote Tory, yet want a communist state. Strange. I'd have thought being so far to the right you'd be more supportive of Maggie and her free market vision.

Not sure if you are being disingenuous or are a bit thick.

A. The EU staff were willing to work for less as there is a wage premium compared to home.
B. As a result the wages fell and no brits wanted to work for what are slave wages for established brits.
C. Brexit & Covid have driven the EU cheap labour back home.
D. Hauliers, Farmers & hospitality employers are bemoaning the fact no one wants to work for pathetic wages. They are now forced to put up the wages (oh capitalism - supply & demand) - boo hoo!
E. Warty & co are agreeing that employers should pay tulip wages that are basically slavery.
F. Warty suggests that if people don't want to work for crap wages they should get another job (which is exactly what has happened).

ah E&F is for Extreme Feckwit!

I'm actually a compassionate capitalist. I want the market to decide on many things and a government on others. As far as importing cheap labour so those on the bottom rung are pushed into a swamp I don't agree both because its unfair and because the rest of the citizens will subsidise the employers as we can't allow people to starve because their employers won't pay a fair wage.

If you think that is communism you are a bit thick.

By the way communism is normally symbolised by those at the top who don't fight for those at the bottom because they are afraid. Sounds like you are afraid.

[Whorty]

No my argument is based on the staff not wanting to work for peanuts and the restaurant/farmers complaining because they have spent years paying peanuts something that is being reported in the media again & again with facts & figures. Yours is obviously because you support slavery.

Hmmm, I support slavery? Inneresting.

If these workers don't want to work for these salaries, they can choose not to. Then the employers will have to pay more, and the result will be the goods will cost more and inflation will go up (but I'm relaxed with that, makes no difference to me).

Work skills are supply and demand, which is why some of us with niche skills can change a premium because there is a demand for us and little supply. There is a barrier to entry to certain jobs, not to others.

You seem to vote Tory, yet want a communist state. Strange. I'd have thought being so far to the right you'd be more supportive of Maggie and her free market vision.

[vetran]

Thank you, I thought so too.


So your extensive experience is based on you working part time, a few hours a week, 30 years ago? Yeah, that should support your argument really well


Same here fella. My dad was a violent man and an alcoholic. I've not seen him for over 30 years. Mrs W never even met him. Just because I'm success now with money, it doesn't mean it was handed to me. Everything I have I have worked for.


Again, anecdotal evidence based on what your 'mate' says isn't really a strong argument fella.

Next ....

No my argument is based on the staff not wanting to work for peanuts and the restaurant/farmers complaining because they have spent years paying peanuts something that is being reported in the media again & again with facts & figures. Yours is obviously because you support slavery.

[vetran]

Nor are the Comis and so forth in 3* places, if they were they'd be on a lot more than min wage.

Sadly he only sees the business "need" not the poor beggars earning minimum wage.

[NigelJK]

vetran is not a good (Michelin 3 stars) cook, so the point is a bit moot.

Nor are the Comis and so forth in 3* places, if they were they'd be on a lot more than min wage.

[Whorty]

funny.

Thank you, I thought so too.

30 years ago working my way through college I worked in plenty of fast food chains.

So your extensive experience is based on you working part time, a few hours a week, 30 years ago? Yeah, that should support your argument really well

My Daddy wasn't rich or a party member!

Same here fella. My dad was a violent man and an alcoholic. I've not seen him for over 30 years. Mrs W never even met him. Just because I'm success now with money, it doesn't mean it was handed to me. Everything I have I have worked for.

Some of my friends who do the catering work now tell me the same stories about incompetent management and disgusting pay.

Again, anecdotal evidence based on what your 'mate' says isn't really a strong argument fella.

Next ....

[Whorty]

Ah you are off to insults right away, seems you have already lost.

This is what you do to all my posts when I call your drivel out ... so you are finally admitting that your 'Warrty' attempt at an insult, and your 'FTFY' response, is because you have lost the argument?

Not to worry mate, I'm sure you'll up sell a McFluffy later and get that 3rd star on your uniform

[vetran]

The way you talk, it sounds like you still work in a fast food chain. Is that your 'contract' role?

funny.

30 years ago working my way through college I worked in plenty of fast food chains.

My Daddy wasn't rich or a party member!

Some of my friends who do the catering work now tell me the same stories about incompetent management and disgusting pay.

[AtW]

There are far more people who've got good grammar who can't cook. Why should good cooks, or indeed appreciators of cooks, be good grammarians? Bit of a non-sequitur there.

vetran is not a good (Michelin 3 stars) cook, so the point is a bit moot.

[Whorty]

I understand why. having intimate knowledge of catering they are too fecking tight to pay a decent wage. I was the Agency chap on 30% more per hour covering the staff they pissed off.

The way you talk, it sounds like you still work in a fast food chain. Is that your 'contract' role?

[NotAllThere]

No, it's not simple, what's really simple is using "it's" or "its" correctly, but you can't even get that right, so what made you qualified to have any opinion whatsoever about how to run serious business like a 3 Michelin stars place? Be grateful London (and this country in general) lucky to have it here.

There are far more people who've got good grammar who can't cook. Why should good cooks, or indeed appreciators of cooks, be good grammarians? Bit of a non-sequitur there.

[NotAllThere]

Did the USA brexit as well or is it just they also pay crap wages?

Federal minimum wage $7.25 since 4/7/2009. But with tipped work it's only $2.13. States can vary this, so Washington, for example, is $13.69 tipped and untipped.

Yep that looks familiar. I thought Obama fixed all that?

Would have done, but the original legislation was somewhat crippled by the republcans and a few of his own party. Under Trump some parts were reversed.