Reply to: DOOM: Britney

[ladymuck]

DOOM no more, she's free!

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...hip-terminated

A judge has approved the termination of Britney Spears’s conservatorship, freeing the pop star from the controversial legal arrangement that has controlled her life for nearly 14 years. The ruling marks an extraordinary victory for the singer who had fought for years to regain her independence from the courts, which in 2008 took away her rights to make basic decisions about her finances, career and personal life. Friday’s decision to dissolve the conservatorship, a form of court-appointed guardianship, means that Spears will retake control of her estate and will no longer be required to pay a team of professionals and attorneys to oversee her affairs. “The conservatorship of the person and of the estate of Britney Jean Spears is hereby terminated,” said the Los Angeles judge Brenda Penny, announcing the ruling.

[d000hg]

The Disabled and Felons?

I think they're calling black people disabled criminals.

[northernladuk]

Nope, voting allowed in the UK.

https://legalresearch.blogs.bris.ac....nd-uptake-gap/

Blimey. That's interesting, so if that's the case and people not in prison yet but in the criminal system can vote then tabling any motion to stop poor people voting isn't going to work then. Bugger.

[Whorty]

Blimey. I didn't know they could do that. Kinda makes sense but didn't know that was a possibility, particularly with constitution. Is that widespread in the US? Does the same happen here? You could assume it would make sense to set a bar for certain cases not to be part of society including democratic processes but just never heard it happening.

Nope, voting allowed in the UK.

https://legalresearch.blogs.bris.ac....nd-uptake-gap/

[vetran]

Well in the US they find loads of excuses to stop people voting. The biggest ones are mentally incapable and those with felonies. Guess who that disproportionately affects...

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

In the UK we don't like serving prisoners being able to vote but, I believe, once your time is done you're then allowed to

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8985/

The Disabled and Felons?

[vetran]

Big difference though is that chap was born with a disability (autism) and given that illness may have found it difficult to run his own affairs safely. Britney just had a meltdown due to the way the press and various other institutions treated her and all she needed was some guidance and counselling.

So no, not the same at all.

The same would have been someone doing it to Mel Gibson after his, erm, actions!

It is conservatorship based on mental incapacity. It is exactly the same but hers was driven by booze & drugs.

If Mel Gibson had been forcibly sectioned/detained in hospital after failing to obey the police it would have been the same.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53494405

In 2008 she was twice admitted to hospital under a temporary psychiatric assessment ruling, including after an incident in which she allegedly refused to surrender her sons in a stand-off involving police.

Mel Gibson just exposed himself as a racist & drunkard, there are far too many of those to lock up.

Now Kanye West might be in the running.

[SueEllen]

Blimey. I didn't know they could do that. Kinda makes sense but didn't know that was a possibility, particularly with constitution. Is that widespread in the US? Does the same happen here? You could assume it would make sense to set a bar for certain cases not to be part of society including democratic processes but just never heard it happening.

Dug this out - https://metro.co.uk/2018/02/06/group...te-uk-7290559/

I presume in the UK it's assumed if you are so mentally ill you won't know there is an election going on so you won't vote anyway.

[ladymuck]

Blimey. I didn't know they could do that. Kinda makes sense but didn't know that was a possibility, particularly with constitution. Is that widespread in the US? Does the same happen here? You could assume it would make sense to set a bar for certain cases not to be part of society including democratic processes but just never heard it happening.

Well in the US they find loads of excuses to stop people voting. The biggest ones are mentally incapable and those with felonies. Guess who that disproportionately affects...

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

In the UK we don't like serving prisoners being able to vote but, I believe, once your time is done you're then allowed to

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8985/

[AtW]

She could probably still legally buy an AR-15 with drum mags and thousands of rounds of ammo - no questions asked.

[northernladuk]

But in the conservatorship process, the judge also stripped away Greg’s right to vote. He was not only unfit to make decisions about his health care and finances, the judge ruled, but he also was unfit to participate in the democratic process.

Blimey. I didn't know they could do that. Kinda makes sense but didn't know that was a possibility, particularly with constitution. Is that widespread in the US? Does the same happen here? You could assume it would make sense to set a bar for certain cases not to be part of society including democratic processes but just never heard it happening.

[ladymuck]

Big difference though is that chap was born with a disability (autism) and given that illness may have found it difficult to run his own affairs safely. Britney just had a meltdown due to the way the press and various other institutions treated her and all she needed was some guidance and counselling.

So no, not the same at all.

The same would have been someone doing it to Mel Gibson after his, erm, actions!

I remember the Hoff having some form of minor melt down too. There was some video that did the rounds many years back.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-daughter.html

Sorry it's a fail link

[Whorty]

and no

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...ompetence-laws

Big difference though is that chap was born with a disability (autism) and given that illness may have found it difficult to run his own affairs safely. Britney just had a meltdown due to the way the press and various other institutions treated her and all she needed was some guidance and counselling.

So no, not the same at all.

The same would have been someone doing it to Mel Gibson after his, erm, actions!

[Whorty]

Isn't this a little bit like power of attorney? I don't think it is that uncommon for someone deemed not of sound mind to have someone else make decisions for them though this does seem a farcical use of that.

As LM says, not quite the same. PoA is usually for when someone is incapable to make their own decisions but its hard to believe that she wasn't. In the UK, and happy to be corrected, it's could be put in place if someone say has a brain injury or is mentally disabled, but I'm guessing it's rarely when someone has gone off the rails a bit.

Just feels to me like this was all about money and control, and never about the welfare of Britney herself.

[northernladuk]

you mmisspelled ALL

Oh the irony.......

[lorakeen]

And Michael Jackson wasn't? And half the drug addicts in the music and movie industry?

Forcing birth control on her FFS

you mmisspelled ALL