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Previously on "Windows 11"

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by Paddy View Post

    The only reason why Windows got to be so popular in the server market is that the front end of Windows server looked like Windows desktop OS. The non technical decision makers in companies though they understood Windows server because it looked the same as what they had at home. The best and most secure server OSs have long disappeared.
    complete rowlocks.

    It was cost, availability of software and marketing.

    In the 90s proprietary UNIX was locked to hardware and cost thousands. Windows would run on any common PC compatible and cost £100. Wordperfect and lotus 123 (the original office apps) ran on it.

    You could stand up a windows server including hardware for less than a copy of Novell and client licenses.

    Plenty of shareware available for almost any task on Windows.

    Microsoft looked at ways to solve common problems not gouge money from you.

    If Microsoft had not existed servers would cost £100k and only work with software approved (at great cost) to run on it. A simple PC would be a few thousand. Look at a Macbook running FreBSD and it still costs more. You may consider it is worth more but without M$ it would cost a lot more.

    There are a few technically more competent systems out there if you have millions to spare. There is FOSS and lots of that is good if you can convince the business to accept its limitations.




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  • BR14
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    Originally posted by Paddy View Post

    The only reason why Windows got to be so popular in the server market is that the front end of Windows server looked like Windows desktop OS. The non technical decision makers in companies though they understood Windows server because it looked the same as what they had at home. The best and most secure server OSs have long disappeared.
    Z/OS is still going strong

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by Paddy View Post
    The only reason why Windows got to be so popular in the server market is that the front end of Windows server looked like Windows desktop OS.
    It was best in class product, that's why it succeeded, obviously.

    What was the alternative - OS/2, NetWare?

    Windows Server is killing itself now with per core pricing - it was bad enough to pull that tulip for SQL Server but for a basic server OS is a no-*******-no. Plus (and that was present from start) CALs bulltulip totally not suitable for the Internet facing servers, which is why they totally lost that market to Linux/etc now.

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by _V_ View Post
    Let's face it the best future OS is NOT Windows, the best server OS is NOT Windows.

    Why are big companies still supporting this crap?
    The only reason why Windows got to be so popular in the server market is that the front end of Windows server looked like Windows desktop OS. The non technical decision makers in companies though they understood Windows server because it looked the same as what they had at home. The best and most secure server OSs have long disappeared.

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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
    I think I stopped getting excited about the latest updates around the time NT released that hugely flawed service pack that cause so many issues. SP4 was it?

    After that carry on I've always been happy to wait for a few updates before installing anything new nowadays.
    I think that was SP6, which quickly became SP6a. My contract with BA was extended on the strength of having to fix many ruined servers, so every cloud...

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  • vwdan
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    Originally posted by tazdevil View Post
    Ampere processors are 80 or 128 cores per processor. There's a reason people who know what they're doing use Linux distro's for their server OS
    Just responding to tell you I laughed out loud at your ignorance

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by Scoobos View Post

    Or, as an ex MSFT dash trash - known as the "Swing of the pendulum" - the extreme is needed so the next iteration is progressive but not alienating.

    Too right though, with nearly all the products.
    It sounds like in this case, W11 barely justifies a new version number. We might be safe!

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  • AtW
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    DirectStorage API only with Win 11 - I knew they were holding back on it with their strange delays

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  • Scoobos
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post

    We're better off waiting for Windows 12, seriously.

    Microsoft releases seem to work on an involuntary tick-tock principle, where the "ticks" are a pile of junk and they then manage to pull it together in time for the "tock"
    Or, as an ex MSFT dash trash - known as the "Swing of the pendulum" - the extreme is needed so the next iteration is progressive but not alienating.

    Too right though, with nearly all the products.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by tazdevil View Post
    Ampere processors are 80 or 128 cores per processor. There's a reason people who know what they're doing use Linux distro's for their server OS
    yep its only the fortune 500 kiddies that use windows.


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  • tazdevil
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    Ampere processors are 80 or 128 cores per processor. There's a reason people who know what they're doing use Linux distro's for their server OS

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by _V_ View Post
    Let's face it the best future OS is NOT Windows, the best server OS is NOT Windows.?
    They are charging (a lot!) per core for server OS now (from 2016), fook that tulip on 64-128 core boxes

    It was bad enough paying 800 quid for “Standard” edition, now costs will be crazy

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  • _V_
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    Let's face it the best future OS is NOT Windows, the best server OS is NOT Windows.

    Why are big companies still supporting this crap?

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  • _V_
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    It's great to see Microsoft being so original with Win11

    https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/06/w...ux-kde-plasma/

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  • OwlHoot
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    Originally posted by mallisarealperson View Post
    Windows 11 Anyone watching the unveil at 4 today.

    Not me

    I'll wait a few years until it sort of starts working ok.
    We're better off waiting for Windows 12, seriously.

    Microsoft releases seem to work on an involuntary tick-tock principle, where the "ticks" are a pile of junk and they then manage to pull it together in time for the "tock"

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