I'm not saying this sh*te is lying but

[vetran]

Although Blair debased and demeaned practically everything he touched, I think FWIW (although I seem to be in a minority of two, including Blair himself! ) he was right to get us involved in the Iraq war by hook or by crook, because it was once in Britain's sphere of influence and it was and is vital we stay in with the Septics as best we can.

Whether the Yanks themselves were right go start that war is a different question. (Obvously they did solely to protect the dollar's reserve status, because stupid Saddam Hussein had started selling oil in Euros to evade sanctions.) But given that they did, I've no doubt the UK was right to join them.``



Wilson kept the UK out of the Vietnam War because Vietnam was formerly in the French sphere of influence, and I believe the French had been in a war there some years earlier, although I'm hazy about the details.

Also, Field Marshal Montgomery had warned him (and everyone else I think, knowing Monty! ) that the Yanks were likely to lose, due to their pussy footing around at the start and gradual build up, instead of going in mob handed at the outset, a mistake the Yanks didn't repeat in Iraq.

If we had gone into Iraq as NATO I would have approved.

Vietnam was a can of hissing snakes, we were well out of it.

You were right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French...ar%20in%201893.

Isn't it nice to see how well the ex French Empire colonies shaped up after its fall, starts to make the British Empire look good!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire

[OwlHoot]

Blair took us to war on a knowingly false premise. ..

Although Blair debased and demeaned practically everything he touched, I think FWIW (although I seem to be in a minority of two, including Blair himself! ) he was right to get us involved in the Iraq war by hook or by crook, because it was once in Britain's sphere of influence and it was and is vital we stay in with the Septics as best we can.

Whether the Yanks themselves were right go start that war is a different question. (Obvously they did solely to protect the dollar's reserve status, because stupid Saddam Hussein had started selling oil in Euros to evade sanctions.) But given that they did, I've no doubt the UK was right to join them.``

Harold Wilson & Maggie Thatcher did not. I'm not a fan of Wilson but respect and appreciate his choice. ..

Wilson kept the UK out of the Vietnam War because Vietnam was formerly in the French sphere of influence, and I believe the French had been in a war there some years earlier, although I'm hazy about the details.

Also, Field Marshal Montgomery had warned him (and everyone else I think, knowing Monty! ) that the Yanks were likely to lose, due to their pussy footing around at the start and gradual build up, instead of going in mob handed at the outset, a mistake the Yanks didn't repeat in Iraq.

[vetran]

Not personal Vetran, but , for me, this epitomises everything that's wrong with modern politics , having stupid plays on words or "catchy" slogans, rather than good manifestos that are legally binding.

B'Liar (which politician hasn't lied or broken manifesto pledges since the mid 90's? ) Why tories feel the need to attack the man that pretty much continued the neoliberal conservative agenda, is beyond me. I'd be attacking him if I was a labour member, "power at any price" is how I'd sum him up.

Corbyns stupid communist variants (he's a Bennite socialist, so not even the right slur)

Jezbollah

Arguably "brexit"

"Boris" like he's our mate, a "Normal bloke" this is a Bullingdon club member , not bob the builder.

All make my skin crawl and just play to the lowest common denominator and use silly names to slur people just because they don't align with your personal political views.

No offense taken, polite questions & discussion welcome.

It was always thus, have a look back in antiquity you get panem et circenses. Many Roman politicians were quite rude to each other in speeches many acquiring nick names. Obeying manifestos would be novel in any political environment.

Here the roman Satirist (columnist in today's terms) Juvenal mocks bribing the people to get elected. (sound familiar?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Looking further back around the world you will find similar.

Blair took us to war on a knowingly false premise. Harold Wilson & Maggie Thatcher did not. I'm not a fan of Wilson but respect and appreciate his choice.

Blairs behaviour cost lives! David Mellor in his football strip just caused hilarity. Calling the multi millionaire ex politician Tony Blair a liar is appropriate.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ike-tony-blair

The brass neck of Tony Blair. The Brexit vote was ‘based on imperfect knowledge’, says the man who unleashed barbarism across the Middle East on the basis of a student dissertation he printed off the internet. Who marched thousands into unimaginable horror on the basis of myth and spin. That NHS claim on the side of the Leave bus is small fry, infinitesimally small fry, in comparison with the guff this bloke came out with. It didn’t cause anyone to die, for one. For Blair to lecture the British people about truth is an affront to memory and decency and reason. No self-respecting citizen should put up with it.

Corbyn is dangerous I tend to call him Jezzybell

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jezebel

His links to terrorism are a significant worry. Refusing to support MAD instantly meant I dismissed him as a possible PM. His £3 million net worth is odd for his published beliefs.

I won get over it.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bojo is a lying, self serving hound but he was sadly the best of the very poor selection available.

[Scoobos]

Oh has he had a dodgy dossier yet or just 13,000 Poles?

He may be two faced but compared to B'Liar he is well out of his league!

Not personal Vetran, but , for me, this epitomises everything that's wrong with modern politics , having stupid plays on words or "catchy" slogans, rather than good manifestos that are legally binding.

B'Liar (which politician hasn't lied or broken manifesto pledges since the mid 90's? ) Why tories feel the need to attack the man that pretty much continued the neoliberal conservative agenda, is beyond me. I'd be attacking him if I was a labour member, "power at any price" is how I'd sum him up.

Corbyns stupid communist variants (he's a Bennite socialist, so not even the right slur)

Jezbollah

Arguably "brexit"

"Boris" like he's our mate, a "Normal bloke" this is a Bullingdon club member , not bob the builder.

All make my skin crawl and just play to the lowest common denominator and use silly names to slur people just because they don't align with your personal political views.

[TwoWolves]

The problem is the civil servants, they are totally gutless and Blair years' hangers-on.

[OwlHoot]

His lips are moving

Yep, I assume we are talking about Johhny Mercer's sacking for speaking out regarding the government's failure to legislate over incessant harrassment of veterans.

The problem is the government is terrified of the Northern Ireland troubles kicking off again, and feel they need to ingratiate themselves with the IRA and similar to try and prevent that, because it would also have repercussions on UK-US relations with Biden as President. But the IRA was crushed once, by total infiltration, so what is to prevent it being defeated again?

[vetran]

He had a dodgy bus that fooled many million gullible Brits

yeah he should have written 63.47% on the side.

[Whorty]

Oh has he had a dodgy dossier yet or just 13,000 Poles?

He may be two faced but compared to B'Liar he is well out of his league!

He had a dodgy bus that fooled many million gullible Brits

[vetran]

Boris is far worse than all the other political gobtulipes put together.

Oh has he had a dodgy dossier yet or just 13,000 Poles?

He may be two faced but compared to B'Liar he is well out of his league!

[_V_]

Boris is far worse than all the other political gobtulipes put together.

[vetran]

But he hasn't been in Government for over 10 years.

Neither have Heath, Blair, Brown, Geoffrey or Edwina.

its not like they ever stopped.

well OK Heath has stopped thankfully.

[cojak]

But he hasn't been in Government for over 10 years.

[vetran]

and for balance

[DaveB]

His lips are moving