Reply to: Pepe was a rapist and Speedy Gonzales was racist

[Whorty]

The point is that he was anthropomorphised. He always struck me as sex obsessed and unpleasant.

Apparently apart from Guinea Pigs few animals do romance.

And warthogs ... as part of my FGASA practical assessment I had to talk the guests through the mating ritual of the male warthog, complete with little jiggy dance and song. Mrs W was in the van too, needless to say this little warthog didn't get any jiggy-jiggy that night!

Didn't know guinea pigs did the same ... I wonder if it's specific to all in the 'hog' family ... (goes to Google to find out)

[vetran]

Pepe le Pew is an intresting one .... if we see him as an animal, acting the way animals act, then he is acting completely naturally (rape in the animal kingdom is 'normal' - just go down to your local park pond and watch the male mallards )

If however we are going to anthropomorphise Pepe, then yes he's a dodgy character that needs a restraining order.

The point is that he was anthropomorphised. He always struck me as sex obsessed and unpleasant.

Apparently apart from Guinea Pigs few animals do romance.

[vetran]

Slightly off topic, but not completely, I always found Open All Hours offensive. As a kid I hated Ronnie Barker's character. Reason being I had (still have) a stutter and this show was really offensive (I still find it offensive to people who suffer from stuttering).

Thankfully for me there was another kid in school with a stutter and he got labelled 'Granvil' and not me .. but he did suffer for years.

I've learned to live with my stutter and can manage it, but it is a (kind of*) disability and really should not be mocked.

* I say 'kind of', so please don't get too triggered!

No I see that, kids can be cruel and I never really liked open all hours there is something about the character that is just unpleasant.

But Porridge & the two Ronnies were normally genius.

[vetran]

You see, you've done it again. The thread is about a dodgy cat/skunk and his sexual advances and a racial stereotype of a Mexican, and you change the narrative to be about Africans/black people. You just can't stop yourself can you?

The general consensus is that many of these things are in the past and indeed modern versions are thankfully more inclusive and acceptable. Most of us just want to pop a warning on it, cut the worst out and move on. Some people want to call these out continuously to cause outrage, surely we should ask why? Are you not curious and worried it might not be positive?

By the way this thread also discussed a mouse blacking up and the depiction of African cannibals, plus of course the Maid/Lady of the house.

[Whorty]

Slightly off topic, but not completely, I always found Open All Hours offensive. As a kid I hated Ronnie Barker's character. Reason being I had (still have) a stutter and this show was really offensive (I still find it offensive to people who suffer from stuttering).

Thankfully for me there was another kid in school with a stutter and he got labelled 'Granvil' and not me .. but he did suffer for years.

I've learned to live with my stutter and can manage it, but it is a (kind of*) disability and really should not be mocked.

* I say 'kind of', so please don't get too triggered!

[Whorty]

One does have to ask what their agenda is. Every time they think they have won, they start mentioning reparations ,so their Kings whose grandfathers sold their grandparents into slavery can buy a new BMW.

Why do we always assume because someone is not white then all their woes are due to racism? Non white people can be muppets too.

You see, you've done it again. The thread is about a dodgy cat/skunk and his sexual advances and a racial stereotype of a Mexican, and you change the narrative to be about Africans/black people. You just can't stop yourself can you?

[Whorty]

Pepe was a skunk. The cat was a cat. It would take quite a sordid mind to equate the comedy value there to be condonement (is that a word?) of sexual violence.

I think the risk is that you're playing these to children and you could normalise this behaviour. Although my personal anecdotal evidence is that it didn't do me any harm, although there are many of my ex girlfriends who may argue otherwise

[Whorty]

Apparently Pepe le Pew was a rapist and Speedy Gonzazles was a racist stereotype.

Pepe le Pew is an intresting one .... if we see him as an animal, acting the way animals act, then he is acting completely naturally (rape in the animal kingdom is 'normal' - just go down to your local park pond and watch the male mallards )

If however we are going to anthropomorphise Pepe, then yes he's a dodgy character that needs a restraining order.

[xoggoth]

Isn't the stereotypical view of Mexicans that they are lazy and lie around sleeping all day? Speedy Gonzalez appears to be the opposite.

[vetran]

Best ever was, is and always will be (forever and ever amen), The Very Hungry Caterpillar.

Definitely we have been through three copies.

[NotAllThere]

oh right never knew that existed, will get a copy! Thanks.

Good film as well. Even if like me you have to watch it and the only subtitles are in German - when the actors are speaking Swiss dialect, French or English.

My grandmother was of another era, but parents were pretty on the ball. I enjoyed the Silver Sword, but I really didn't like Nicholas Fisk (not NickFitz) nor Leon Garfield. Mind you, by the time I was eleven I was on adult science fiction - now that really fsked me up..

Best ever was, is and always will be (forever and ever amen), The Very Hungry Caterpillar.

[vetran]

I only vaguely remember it. Yes I am older than you. I suspect it was at my grandmother's house. She was definitely a product of her time.
Judith Kerr. Excellent stuff. For slightly older kids, try When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit. An account of her childhood, up until the point she came to the UK.

oh right never knew that existed, will get a copy! Thanks.

[NotAllThere]

I had to look that up, I'm obviously not as old as you or my parents had better taste in books.

I only vaguely remember it. Yes I am older than you. I suspect it was at my grandmother's house. She was definitely a product of her time.

I will stick with Fireman Sam or the excellent "the Tiger who came for tea" (which is weird enough) for the little one's bed time reading.

Judith Kerr. Excellent stuff. For slightly older kids, try When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit. An account of her childhood, up until the point she came to the UK.

[SueEllen]

That's true. I was talking about the fawning liberalist that just look for things to offend them.

It's because we have got 24 hour news so they have to fill it with something.

[vetran]

Pepe was a skunk. The cat was a cat. It would take quite a sordid mind to equate the comedy value there to be condonement (is that a word?) of sexual violence.

The cat was disguised as a skunk, the situation was mimicking a human love ritual, cats and skunks don't do romance. Pepe was quite clearly ignoring her feelings and wants, the situation was cringeworthy for me and I suspect any normal human.