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Previously on "War with Austrialia"

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Boris now pointing the finger.

    Good for Boris.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-c...boris-johnson/
    Ahh but we got their first.

    Boris finally found a chum that wasn't useless so she sorted it out and didn't waste £37B in doing so.

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  • BlasterBates
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    Boris now pointing the finger.

    Good for Boris.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-c...boris-johnson/

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post

    Always a mistake yes. But the main driver is lack of supplies - across Europe. Even without AZ.
    And why would that be?


    https://www.theguardian.com/business...es-not-excuses


    Instead, EU member states were leaned upon by Brussels to support a collective endeavour, which delayed the placing of orders for the AstraZeneca vaccine by three months. Pascal Soriot, AstraZeneca’s chief executive, says the UK’s three-month head start was important because it allowed glitches in the production process to be sorted out.

    It was not until the autumn that the EU placed orders for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine (even though the breakthrough was made in a German lab) and even later before it got round to ordering some of the Moderna vaccine. Last Friday, the pharma company Novavax said it had developed a vaccine that was effective against Covid-19. The UK has pre-ordered 60m doses: the EU none.
    But their bad mouthing AZ has cost them

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/25/w...trazeneca.html

    Many people — including health workers — are skipping appointments or refusing to sign up for the AstraZeneca shot, which they fear is less effective than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, the officials say. As a result, two weeks after the first delivery of 1.45 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine arrived in Germany, only 270,986 have been administered, according to data collected by the public health authority, the Robert Koch Institute.

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post

    You are presuming competence from elected officials...

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    Always a mistake yes. But the main driver is lack of supplies - across Europe. Even without AZ.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    France got ICBMs...
    somewhere to hang their white flags or sell to the Argentinians - result!

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  • AtW
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    France got ICBMs...

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    I won't apologise for my beloved EU - keep the blue flag flying high!
    FTFY

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Isn't the low progress of the vaccine simply due to shortage of supplies, rather than incompetence in delivery? I'd assume that if they've not approved AZ for the over 65s, they'll start on the over 60s, or over 55s.
    Well as they have insulted one of the leading vaccine manufacturers do you think that will improve then?

    That has led to citizens not turning up for their jab in their thousands. Strangely Malta is at 5% of population vaccinated the rest are much less.


    According to their own people its fairly clear where the blame lies.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/coro...oll-kekst-cnc/

    According to the survey, which was carried out by Kekst CNC and shared with POLITICO ahead of publication, 51 percent of German respondents said the European Union has handled the vaccine rollout badly, a view shared by 35 percent of French and 24 percent of Swedish respondents.

    In the U.K., 45 percent said the EU has done a bad job, while 77 percent said they approved of their government's track record on vaccination. By contrast, only 23 percent of Germans, 19 percent of Swedes and 18 percent of French respondents took a similarly generous view of their respective national vaccine rollouts.
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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    I recall that the French objected to the Australians calling some of their fizzy wine "champagne". Australia's reponse: "So invade".
    Well at least the Australians advised the French to play to their strengths

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  • cojak
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    Really, the EU has made a rod for it's own back.

    They are fighting over a vaccine that very few of their citizens want, due to the bad-mouthing of it by their politicians.

    This isn't going solve their chronic lack of uptake.

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  • BlasterBates
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    The UK also imposed an export stop. No vaccines manufactured in the UK will be exported until the "vaccine miracle" has been fully exploited.

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Isn't the low progress of the vaccine simply due to shortage of supplies, rather than incompetence in delivery? I'd assume that if they've not approved AZ for the over 65s, they'll start on the over 60s, or over 55s.
    You are presuming competence from elected officials...

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  • NotAllThere
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    Isn't the low progress of the vaccine simply due to shortage of supplies, rather than incompetence in delivery? I'd assume that if they've not approved AZ for the over 65s, they'll start on the over 60s, or over 55s.

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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    The only blessing(?) is the vaccine they stop shipment of is heading to Australia where they have done their best to eliminate Covid-19 and has a low death rate. If it was to another country with a higher death rate the Italians would have deaths on their hands.

    The worse thing about this is that you have France, Germany, Spain and a few other European countries until the last couple of days refusing to give the Oxford/AZ vaccine to over 65 year olds. This means they have stocks of the vaccine in their fridges in certain parts of their countries. On the other hand countries like Poland, Czech and Denmark plus some regions of France and Germany have to either try to get the Chinese and Russian Covid vaccines or ask Israel for their excess supplies.
    Italy has only approved the AstraZeneca vaccine for under 65's*. At the current rate many of the 250k doses will expire before they can be used for the under 65's who qualify currently. It's not unheard of for the Italians to actually comply with an EU instruction, but it seems odd for them to comply in such a way which benefits precisely nobody.

    *https://www.thelocal.it/20210223/ita...ults-up-to-65/

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  • NotAllThere
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    I recall that the French objected to the Australians calling some of their fizzy wine "champagne". Australia's reponse: "So invade".

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