Reply to: Priti Oops..

[NotAllThere]

The reason this happened is the utter contempt the UK shows towards IT. The Victorians had the right idea - change things. The UK needs to accept that change is good. And since 1st January that is much easier.

It's because the UK is still a country where "Well educated" means "Studied classics at Oxford or Cambridge".

[BrilloPad]

The reason this happened is the utter contempt the UK shows towards IT. The Victorians had the right idea - change things. The UK needs to accept that change is good. And since 1st January that is much easier.

[SueEllen]

A Trumpian answer if ever...You could get a job as his spokesman with that non-answer

Nah he will be working for Boris doing a daily briefing.

[darmstadt]

Public sector has always been crap. When I was in a company that did contracts for them back in the 80s, they always added a significant percentage to the estimated cost on the grounds that there would be various cockups requiring significant changes. Recall them complaining that a function was about 3 lines longer than their arbitrary limit, the fact that it performed the necessary task as succinctly as possible was irrelevant.

A Trumpian answer if ever...You could get a job as his spokesman with that non-answer

[xoggoth]

What would you have said if it had been a Labour government in power and this had happened?

Public sector has always been crap. When I was in a company that did contracts for them back in the 80s, they always added a significant percentage to the estimated cost on the grounds that there would be various cockups requiring significant changes. Recall them complaining that a function was about 3 lines longer than their arbitrary limit, the fact that it performed the necessary task as succinctly as possible was irrelevant.

[Hobosapien]

They hosted it with the Post office system!

But chose 2nd class delivery and it was so late it was returned to sender, and the data was gone. True story.

[vetran]

They outsourced it to Fujitsu who likely made a right dogs dinner of it, making the recovery process somewhat harder than an undelete action such as rolling back the transaction log when the fat fingered script runner deleted the wrong stuff.

That's assuming they are using a proper database and not some NoSQL bullshine.

If they really want the data to stick around then use something immutable like a blockchain.

They hosted it with the Post office system!

[Hobosapien]

The Fujitsu system is running on Adabas. It doesn't have the required purge functionality. That was produced inhouse. Records must be removed and not accessible to the police or other services.

Adabas? Not a variant mutation acronym of Acab?

Re Fujitsu. My view of them may be skewed by how a public sector client I was contracting at used them to outsource a CRM 'solve all our problems' solution () that quickly became very expensive and undeliverable resulting in der management outsourcing the whole IT dept. I'm sure it turned out all right in the end.

[NotAllThere]

They outsourced it to Fujitsu who likely made a right dogs dinner of it, making the recovery process somewhat harder than an undelete action such as rolling back the transaction log when the fat fingered script runner deleted the wrong stuff.

That's assuming they are using a proper database and not some NoSQL bullshine.

If they really want the data to stick around then use something immutable like a blockchain.

The Fujitsu system is running on Adabas. It doesn't have the required purge functionality. That was produced inhouse. Records must be removed and not accessible to the police or other services.

[tazdevil]

They outsourced it to Fujitsu who likely made a right dogs dinner of it, making the recovery process somewhat harder than an undelete action such as rolling back the transaction log when the fat fingered script runner deleted the wrong stuff.

That's assuming they are using a proper database and not some NoSQL bullshine.

If they really want the data to stick around then use something immutable like a blockchain.

Never delete is the way to go, write everything to a time series database before purging old stuff from the DBMS then have that replicated across at least three servers in different data centres run by different organisations. Can't be too careful these days If the numpty IT team doesn't do for the data then Amazon will close your AWS account cos it doesn't like you

[Hobosapien]

Is that true? Need a database expert to comment.

They outsourced it to Fujitsu who likely made a right dogs dinner of it, making the recovery process somewhat harder than an undelete action such as rolling back the transaction log when the fat fingered script runner deleted the wrong stuff.

That's assuming they are using a proper database and not some NoSQL bullshine.

If they really want the data to stick around then use something immutable like a blockchain.

[xoggoth]

there is no way to know how much stuff has been deleted

Is that true? Need a database expert to comment.

[Hobosapien]

I think they initialli got Diane Abbott to count the missing records. Seems to be 400,000+ ....

They can only guess as there is no way to know how much stuff has been deleted if there's not trace of it, otherwise it wouldn't be deleted.

[darmstadt]

Yeh, any error by public services is the fault of the current Tory government and the shadow Home Secretary would come up with solutions immediately. Typical Guardian drivel.

What would you have said if it had been a Labour government in power and this had happened?

[Dark Black]

Police probes compromised after computer records deleted - BBC News

The deletion of the records has been blamed on a coding error.

OK.. Who was it...?