Reply to: Killer motorways.

[OwlHoot]

Depends on how you prove they entered the lane after it was closed, or refused to leave it in a timely manner.

Simples. The first flashing red light should mean "leave lane now", and a solid red light "you should have left by now, and are liable for a fine"

[NotAllThere]

You'd assume all the emergency vehicles have dash-cams, if they submit the footage of every car they got stuck behind would they get fines in the post? I am fairly sure even footage submitted by the public can be used in this way

Perhaps rocket launchers?

[ladymuck]

Can't be too hard. If it's been shut for 8 minutes and they haven't managed to merge

As I tend to refuse to let BMW drivers in because they always behave like lane closures apply to other people, this could prove good fun

[d000hg]

Depends on how you prove they entered the lane after it was closed, or refused to leave it in a timely manner.

Can't be too hard. If it's been shut for 8 minutes and they haven't managed to merge

[ladymuck]

You'd assume all the emergency vehicles have dash-cams, if they submit the footage of every car they got stuck behind would they get fines in the post? I am fairly sure even footage submitted by the public can be used in this way

Depends on how you prove they entered the lane after it was closed, or refused to leave it in a timely manner.

[d000hg]

You'd assume all the emergency vehicles have dash-cams, if they submit the footage of every car they got stuck behind would they get fines in the post? I am fairly sure even footage submitted by the public can be used in this way

[ladymuck]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/27/one-i...king-15321887/

"As many as one in ten safety cameras monitoring the UK’s smart motorways are either broken, misted up or facing the wrong way, it has been reported."

"Workers monitoring the feeds were secretly filmed muttering to themselves ‘we’ve got no signals, you’re all going to die’ and ‘the whole system’s crashed’."

Good thing you cant buy any petrol might end up dying if you go on the motorway!

I saw similar stories a few weeks ago.

DfT argue that smart motorways lead to fewer deaths than on conventional but they 'could' put the same level of surveillance on normal motorways and keep the hard shoulder and you'd get the best of both worlds.

[MonkeysUncle]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/27/one-i...king-15321887/

"As many as one in ten safety cameras monitoring the UK’s smart motorways are either broken, misted up or facing the wrong way, it has been reported."

"Workers monitoring the feeds were secretly filmed muttering to themselves ‘we’ve got no signals, you’re all going to die’ and ‘the whole system’s crashed’."

Good thing you cant buy any petrol might end up dying if you go on the motorway!

[d000hg]

I notice the same on the M3. Red X on the outside is an invitation to the BMW's & Co to use it exclusively. .

If you're on your M3, presumably you joined in?

[SueEllen]

17 minutes to be spotted and 17 minutes to be recovered.

So nearly 20 mins of trucks hurtling towards you at 70 mph and then nearly another 20 hoping people read the signs properly. Thst doesn't mention how long to actually clear it.

How did that get past any kind of risk assessment??

Trucks and large vans should be limited to 60mph.

Mind you being in the next lane and seeing an HGV having to suddenly brake on a dual carriageway near me at 50mph due to the driver not realising there are lots of random and tight turns....

[Zigenare]

17 minutes to be spotted and 17 minutes to be recovered.

So nearly 20 mins of trucks hurtling towards you at 70 mph and then nearly another 20 hoping people read the signs properly. Thst doesn't mention how long to actually clear it.

How did that get past any kind of risk assessment??

Money.

[northernladuk]

Didnt they do a report last year (or maybe the year before) where it showed that smart motorways were worse then normal in terms of deaths.

Edit: 38 killed on smart motorways in last five years - BBC News

17 minutes to be spotted and 17 minutes to be recovered.

So nearly 20 mins of trucks hurtling towards you at 70 mph and then nearly another 20 hoping people read the signs properly. Thst doesn't mention how long to actually clear it.

How did that get past any kind of risk assessment??

[MonkeysUncle]

Didnt they do a report last year (or maybe the year before) where it showed that smart motorways were worse then normal in terms of deaths.

Edit: 38 killed on smart motorways in last five years - BBC News

[NotAllThere]

It seems to me, they need to combine the lane closure signs to smart laser blasters to vapourise the morons who don't keep to the rules.

[eek]

Oh I've done years of Leeds to Preston, flippin awful, you get a sense of who to avoid. If I didn't get to the Oldham junction by 06:15 a 70min commute morphed into 2-3 hrs. Sometimes could avoid trouble using the M66, Grane Road and M65. They need to extend the M65 to meet the A1 around Harrogate as was the original intention. When they built the M62 it was as much maligned as HS2 "who's going to use it was the rallying cry", now days everyone! Trouble is its a pinch point for traffic traversing the pennines, and many of them in winter are road freight avoiding the A66 going up to Glasgow etc.

Hardly surprising given the A66 is single carriageway for most of the bits between the M6 and Brough and Bowes / Barnard Castle to Scotch Corner (although the road is due to be upgraded).