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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostAsian footballers call out 'systemic racism' in grassroots football - BBC Sport
BBC Asian Network - Nihal, Sporting Bengal - East London's Asian football club
Oh and stop stating the sterotype that South Asian's prefer cricket as you are showing you are a dinosaur too - When will a footballer of South Asian origin play for England's senior team? - BBC Three
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Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View PostI don't buy the individual anecdotes in terms of professional football, they just don't care at that level. That isn't to say the individual racism inflicted on them isn't very real.
I come from a northern mill town, South Asians I knew certainly loved their cricket, that's my anecdote, my observation.Last edited by LondonManc; 12 November 2020, 00:14.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostAsian footballers call out 'systemic racism' in grassroots football - BBC Sport
BBC Asian Network - Nihal, Sporting Bengal - East London's Asian football club
Oh and stop stating the sterotype that South Asian's prefer cricket as you are showing you are a dinosaur too - When will a footballer of South Asian origin play for England's senior team? - BBC Three
I come from a northern mill town, South Asians I knew certainly loved their cricket, that's my anecdote, my observation.
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Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View PostNice anecdote, got any references? Nothing to do with South Asian culture and its disposition to cricket etc.
No elite football club can afford to be "racist", even Russian clubs don't give a crap if you're white, brown, black or purple (the fans are something else).
BBC Asian Network - Nihal, Sporting Bengal - East London's Asian football club
Oh and stop stating the sterotype that South Asian's prefer cricket as you are showing you are a dinosaur too - When will a footballer of South Asian origin play for England's senior team? - BBC Three
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Originally posted by Whorty View PostOnly selecting white middle aged men is a form of discrimination, so yes, I agree with you, this practice should stop and the best person for the role should be appointed. Well made point there Vetty
Sort of proves my point your assumption that the choice of a white person is racist.
It appears the "best person for the job" was selected by the FA apparently without reference to their race , now if you want to change the criteria to include race then it becomes racist.
You realise the UK demographics have changed massively in the last 30 years.
Ethnicity and National Identity in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
The White ethnic group accounted for 86.0 per cent of the usual resident population in 2011, a decrease from 91.3 per cent in 2001 and 94.1 per cent in 1991
20 years experience 9/10 will be white.
10 years experience 17/20 white.
Now you could and probably should go international as the post is so important. So which of these 'horribly white' managers would you choose?
Top 10 Football Managers of All Time | League Managers.
or this horribly white selection in the top 100 though there are a few ladies who look like they wear comfortable shoes.
100 greatest football managers of all time | FourFourTwo
Apologies if there is a superb African manager I have missed.
If you are trying to fill a post based on modern quotas you are a racist. Best person for the job.
Maybe we can get Gary Lineker to black up - he is pretty woke.
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What's correct, incorrect and horrific changes so quickly and is often pretty similar.
You can refer to a black person (I think that's ok) but not "blacks" collectively.
You can't really use "people of colour" though you could before, but "coloured person" is awful. Although I thought that was an inclusive term (once) for anyone "of colour" not just black.
So initially I read the BBC story and couldn't see why he was being described as horrific/atrocious - those are pretty strong words.
But as S.E. points out, he's got form and one assumes it is more about the person than the specific words.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostI've watched and read some interesting stuff on South Asian footballers.
Generally once kids get above 12 if they blatantly come from a South Asian background they aren't chosen for football teams regardless of how good they are. This use to happen to those from East Asian backgrounds until commercial interests realised there was money having a couple of East Asian footballers on the pitch playing.
No elite football club can afford to be "racist", even Russian clubs don't give a crap if you're white, brown, black or purple (the fans are something else).
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Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
I'll leave you with this thought to put that all into context. Would you be happy flying on a plane knowing that the people who built it got the job because they were black or female rather than because they were the best person for the job? Thought not.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
His point about demographics of football v IT made me smile and it's true though. I assume admitting this will make me a racist though?
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Generally once kids get above 12 if they blatantly come from a South Asian background they aren't chosen for football teams regardless of how good they are. This use to happen to those from East Asian backgrounds until commercial interests realised there was money having a couple of East Asian footballers on the pitch playing.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostLook for Digital Team in google and look at the photos of the teams. All very gender and race balanced... but what's missing now?
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostIt does make me laugh when liberals talk about equality and fairness sometimes. The very liberals that tend to make up highly diverse forward thinking spunky digital teams. Ever tried being a 40+ year old trying to get a gig in these teams????Last edited by northernladuk; 11 November 2020, 12:31.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View Postwomen don't like being hit by balls,
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Originally posted by Whorty View PostOnly selecting white middle aged men is a form of discrimination, so yes, I agree with you, this practice should stop and the best person for the role should be appointed. Well made point there Vetty
Sad thing is that a lot of black players who were my playing generation (class of 92 era), witnessed this and the likes of Andy Cole thought "why bother". Football has made significant strides, even discounting Eric Cantona giving racism a kick in 1995, to try and move the game on. There are still racist idiots today, but they are now silenced, humiliated and banned rather than accepted as a sad norm.
On the management side, there have been, just as with white managers, good and bad black ones. Paul Ince had mixed fortunes but did okay at MK Dons. John Barnes proved pretty crap wherever he managed. Chris Hughton is well respected in the game. Wales have a mixed-race manager in charge of their national side.
The over-riding issues on top of this are personal desire and culture. Gina Ashray tells the real-life joke that to Nigerian mums, there are only four occupations: "Doctor, lawyer, engineer or a disappointment." How many recently-finished footballers who have made mega-millions, truly want to manage too? Yes, they talk about missing the craic in the dressing room, but lots of players do the whole legends thing. I know that Quinton Fortune and Dwight Yorke are still regulars for United legends for example and that's how they say they still enjoy it. More go into punditry and media - Ian Wright and Dion Dublin immediately spring to mind as going beyond football, while Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra and others are regulars on football shows. We also gravitate to what we want to do. If you were a schoolkid who didn't do well academically, why take on more of the academic side that management entails when you can do pretty much whatever you want?
I'll leave you with this thought to put that all into context. Would you be happy flying on a plane knowing that the people who built it got the job because they were black or female rather than because they were the best person for the job? Thought not.
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostSome old bloke using the old fashioned term "coloured" instead of black. People should focus on real racism not unintentional slip ups like that.
PS Dinosaur? Ageist!
His point about demographics of football v IT made me smile and it's true though. I assume admitting this will make me a racist though?
Originally posted by SueEllen View PostYou ignored the rest of my post - we are no longer in the era of Trump and Corbyn.
It was a combination of his comments e.g. being gay is a life choice, women don't like being hit by balls, implying south asians aren't interested on being on the pitch and the fact he's said similar stuff years before that meant he had to go.Last edited by northernladuk; 11 November 2020, 12:11.
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