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Worse. Accenture nicked them.
Anyway, I had a look. Aligning the curves of hospitalisations with that of deaths, it seems there is improvement in the UK.
1 in 3 in the first wave, and 1 in 5 in the second wave.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostYou can do that here:
https://ibz-shiny.ethz.ch/covid-19-r...eWwj0H5gy3QzwE
Choose the UK, and you can see either hospitalised patients or death, then compare with another country (default compare with Switzerland). I'd get some numbers but I've a meeting to go to.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostExcess deaths show that even with treatment, a non-trivial percentage of people with Covid die as a result of catching it, whether directly or indirectly. Even now, when we have a much better infrastructure and some treatments, some people die no matter what you do.
Trying to work out how many died who could've theoretically lived would be interesting but extremely difficult. We might compare CV deaths as a % of CV admissions between nations/different hospitals perhaps.
https://ibz-shiny.ethz.ch/covid-19-r...eWwj0H5gy3QzwE
Choose the UK, and you can see either hospitalised patients or death, then compare with another country (default compare with Switzerland). I'd get some numbers but I've a meeting to go to.
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostIt shows how badly run the health service is, now how crap it is. The patient-facing staff, the ones who are doing the caring, are generally brilliant. The management/civil servants/hedge fund managers/politicians who are all trying to take their cut - that's where the problem lies.
A good example of that is the current farce of which Dido Harding is presiding, the test and trace system run by private corporations (really shouldn't be called NHS Test and Trace) but then again it is not surprising, not only is her husband John Penrose, a Tory MP who is apparently the UK Anti-Corruption Champion but also a member of the 1828 group. This is a group which argues for the abolition and privatisation of the NHS but also for PHE (Public Health England.) Well PHE is being abolished and replaced by the National Institute for Health Protection and will be headed by none other than Dido Harding (albeit not privatised but on it's way to being)
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Hands off my NHS: Who is Dido Harding and what is 1828? | Candid Orange
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Excess deaths show that even with treatment, a non-trivial percentage of people with Covid die as a result of catching it, whether directly or indirectly. Even now, when we have a much better infrastructure and some treatments, some people die no matter what you do.
Trying to work out how many died who could've theoretically lived would be interesting but extremely difficult. We might compare CV deaths as a % of CV admissions between nations/different hospitals perhaps.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostI saw some Covid documentary where some guy in his sixties had been in hospital 3 months after testing positive - he lived - however in the next room another guy who had been in slightly shorter died.
So excess deaths is the best measure as it shows how crap the health service is.
It shows how badly run the health service is, now how crap it is. The patient-facing staff, the ones who are doing the caring, are generally brilliant. The management/civil servants/hedge fund managers/politicians who are all trying to take their cut - that's where the problem lies.
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Originally posted by AtW View PostDeaths dropped markedly after they stopped counting people dieing 28 days after test...
So excess deaths is the best measure as it shows how crap the health service is.
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Originally posted by AtW View Post595 deaths in the last 24 hours, 50k mark
Covid: UK first country in Europe to pass 50,000 deaths - BBC News
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Deaths dropped markedly after they stopped counting people dieing 28 days after test...
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Originally posted by AtW View Post595 deaths in the last 24 hours, 50k mark
Covid: UK first country in Europe to pass 50,000 deaths - BBC News
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595 deaths in the last 24 hours, 50k mark
Covid: UK first country in Europe to pass 50,000 deaths - BBC News
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I've mentioned multiple metrics. I mentioned deaths, and someone complained that includes everyone who dies within a month of a positive test regardless of cause. So I mentioned excess deaths and someone says that includes issues too.
The point is, all these metrics tell roughly the same story. The scale might be slightly different, but the shape of the graph is the same - testing level being broadly stable you see hospitalisations follow tests by a week or two, and deaths follow that by another fortnight.
If people think these metrics are lying, present a graph which contradicts the accepted narrative, and shows COVID deaths are not rapidly increasing.
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