Reply to: Covid Kills More Than Flu

[Old Greg]

Load of bollocks and yet more cooked figures. People dont generally get flu between March and November so yes, covid may have claimed more lives in that period.

An average 1600 people die each day in England and Wales. We're wrecking the quality of all people's lives and trashing the economy because 100 or so a day are dieing of covid19. So the other 1600 deaths dont matter?

In the winter of 2017 / 18, there were over 50,000 'excess deaths' in England and Wales when the flu vacines were pretty ineffective. There have been roughly 5 periods of 'excess death' in the UK during the last 50 to 60 years.

Have you considered that there are so few people dying of Covid because we are "wrecking people's lives".

[WTFH]

Load of bollocks and yet more cooked figures. People dont generally get flu between March and November so yes, covid may have claimed more lives in that period.

An average 1600 people die each day in England and Wales. We're wrecking the quality of all people's lives and trashing the economy because 100 or so a day are dieing of covid19. So the other 1600 deaths dont matter?

In the winter of 2017 / 18, there were over 50,000 'excess deaths' in England and Wales when the flu vacines were pretty ineffective. There have been roughly 5 periods of 'excess death' in the UK during the last 50 to 60 years.

When do you consider to be flu season?
Winter is considered to be Late December through to late March, so if a report was including January, February and March, then it's pretty much getting the flu season, or have you cooked up your own opinion?

[Old Greg]

If the vulnerable are isolating properly then neither covid or flu should get them.

Tough for nursing home residents to isolate from the staff.

[TheDogsNads]

Coronavirus killing three times more people than flu and pneumonia combined | The Independent

Coronavirus was linked to three times as many deaths than those caused by flu and pneumonia between January and August, the Office for National Statistics has said.

It looked at mortality rates for the three conditions and found there were 48,168 deaths linked to Covid-19 with the virus being the underlying cause of death in three times as many deaths.

This meant Covid-19 accounted for 12.4 per cent of all deaths for the eight month period.

There were a total of 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.

Of the deaths where both influenza and pneumonia, and Covid-19 were mentioned on the death certificate, the underlying cause of death was coronavirus in 96 per cent of cases.

The ONS also looked back to when death records began being collected monthly and found Covid-19 remained more deadly than any flu and pneumonia seasons back to 1959.

There were more deaths due to flu or pneumonia in women but deaths from Covid-19 were 24 per cent higher in men.

Sarah Caul head of mortality analysis at the ONS said: “More than three times as many deaths were recorded between January and August this year where Covid-19 was the underlying cause compared to influenza and pneumonia.

“The mortality rate for Covid-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average.

“Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of Covid-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020.”

The ONS said the highest number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurred in January, but deaths were below the five-year average in every month.

Deaths linked to Covid-19 were higher than deaths due to influenza and pneumonia between March and June.

The ONS said: “Age-standardised and age-specific mortality rates for deaths due to Covid-19 were statistically significantly higher than mortality rates due to influenza and pneumonia when compared to the 5-year average and 2020 rates.

“The proportion of deaths occurring in care homes due to Covid-19 was almost double the proportion of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia (30 per cent and 15 per cent respectively).”

Load of bollocks and yet more cooked figures. People dont generally get flu between March and November so yes, covid may have claimed more lives in that period.

An average 1600 people die each day in England and Wales. We're wrecking the quality of all people's lives and trashing the economy because 100 or so a day are dieing of covid19. So the other 1600 deaths dont matter?

In the winter of 2017 / 18, there were over 50,000 'excess deaths' in England and Wales when the flu vacines were pretty ineffective. There have been roughly 5 periods of 'excess death' in the UK during the last 50 to 60 years.

[Hobosapien]

If the vulnerable are isolating properly then neither covid or flu should get them.

[DoctorStrangelove]

another atw doom thread ffs.

HTH.

[SueEllen]

But trump said flu is more deadly, so it must be true.

He survived and feels great so it must be true....

[vwdan]

Now you really are clutching at straws.

Some days, I just despair with people like you. I try and be pretty professional on this board, but jesus christ man, are you literally hard of thinking?

In what way is it clutching at straws? I can't *wait* for this response.

[NotAllThere]

But trump said flu is more deadly, so it must be true.

[Zigenare]

I just copied and pasted.

Also Covid is new.

Learn to control your urges.

[SueEllen]

another atw doom thread ffs.

It said Covid clearly in the title so you didn't have to read it.

[SueEllen]

Now you really are clutching at straws.

I just copied and pasted.

Also Covid is new.

[BR14]

another atw doom thread ffs.

[Scoobos]

Shocking, I tell you what , this pandemic has made me change my opinion on ONS radically .

I've always seen them as a somewhat unneccessary burden , but my only view was the business reports etc.

I also noticed that the Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK dashboard is now including the ONS figures. Wonder if that was part of the compromise with the tory rebellion ?

Someone is probably thinking, after this winter - it's going to look horrible in hindsight when the government figure says X and the ONS one says 3 times that.

I'm a believer in the view that ONS figures aren't even accurate (Covid on certificate) , because its becoming increasingly apparent that patients with "Known illnesses" are dying in droves because the NHS is not able to perform its BAU activities for critical and non critical illness.

[Zigenare]

Coronavirus was linked to three times as many deaths than those caused by flu and pneumonia between January and August, the Office for National Statistics has said.

Now you really are clutching at straws.