Reply to: Matt Hancock's Love of Grime

[DoctorStrangelove]

I'm rather more in favour of "Gotterdammerung" at the moment.

[WTFH]

But nothing is as revolutionary or iconoclastic as when, say, the Pistols or the Stones exploded onto the scene. These days if anything "edgy" comes out you'll have the Guardian crowing about it like an embarrassing maiden aunt that wants to be down with the kids.

Quite the opposite. The Gruan is more in favour of modern artists than the papers stuck in the past who want Elgar played everywhere.

[The Bona Fide]

I remember playing the Pistols to my mother when they came out, her comment was "it's just rock and roll but the singer can't sing". There was nothing really revolutionary about the music

No, but I don't think such vitriol laden lyrics had hit the mainstream before. It really did upset the establishment.

Others that were touted as being the new Pistols followed in their wake but none generated the same levels of outrage as they did. I'm thinking Jesus and Mary Chain and Sigue Sigue Sputnik in particular and though TJAMC were good I seem to recall they just used to upset people by not showing up to their gigs!

[darmstadt]

But nothing is as revolutionary or iconoclastic as when, say, the Pistols or the Stones exploded onto the scene. These days if anything "edgy" comes out you'll have the Guardian crowing about it like an embarrassing maiden aunt that wants to be down with the kids.

I remember playing the Pistols to my mother when they came out, her comment was "it's just rock and roll but the singer can't sing". There was nothing really revolutionary about the music

[TestMangler]

But nothing is as revolutionary or iconoclastic as when, say, the Pistols or the Stones exploded onto the scene. These days if anything "edgy" comes out you'll have the Guardian crowing about it like an embarrassing maiden aunt that wants to be down with the kids.

I agree, kinda, but I also appreciate that I'm also looking at it through the 'wrong eyes'. I remember the Pistols bursting onto the scene and a lot of people being amazed by it and caught up in it. I thought it was listenable, but not life changing. To me (and looking back at it from here, bears this out), it sounded like really rough versions of the kind of Chinn & Chapman stuff that Mud/Sweet/Suzi Quattro and, dare I say it, Gary Glitter were churning out. OK, the lyrics were a bit harder edged but, melody wise, it was the same thing with more distorted guitars and looser production.

[The Bona Fide]

I was actually just thinking about the very same thing this morning. My musical tastes were generally 'formed' in the very late 60's and 70's. I thought electronic stuff of the late 70's early 80's was tulipe, but now when you look back and watch BBC4 and Sky Arts documentaries about the period, it doesn't look quite as bad and you can see that it was new and in a state of development and evolution.

I was wondering if, as you say, in 20-40 years time, people will look back and describe anything from the last 20 years (or the next) as ground breaking or 'changing the world'. Possibly it will and some of us are just too old to see it

But nothing is as revolutionary or iconoclastic as when, say, the Pistols or the Stones exploded onto the scene. These days if anything "edgy" comes out you'll have the Guardian crowing about it like an embarrassing maiden aunt that wants to be down with the kids.

[TestMangler]

Move out of the way grandad!

Every generation bemoans the state of music and how it was best in their day. Music is in a constant state of renewal and there has been good, bad and terrible music in every era.

In 2040 we'll have middle aged people saying how terrible music is and how they miss the good old days of grime, K-pop etc from the 20s...

I was actually just thinking about the very same thing this morning. My musical tastes were generally 'formed' in the very late 60's and 70's. I thought electronic stuff of the late 70's early 80's was tulipe, but now when you look back and watch BBC4 and Sky Arts documentaries about the period, it doesn't look quite as bad and you can see that it was new and in a state of development and evolution.

I was wondering if, as you say, in 20-40 years time, people will look back and describe anything from the last 20 years (or the next) as ground breaking or 'changing the world'. Possibly it will and some of us are just too old to see it

[vetran]

Move out of the way grandad!

Every generation bemoans the state of music and how it was best in their day. Music is in a constant state of renewal and there has been good, bad and terrible music in every era.

In 2040 we'll have middle aged people saying how terrible music is and how they miss the good old days of grime, K-pop etc from the 20s...

Doubtful when my daughters have their friends round I enjoy pointing out that the song was released before they were born.

[d000hg]

I never heard anyone warbling in grime music. Maybe some new sub-genre.

[edison]

Speaking as someone who's daughter is a DJ who plays House music (Tech House and Deep House - She has just finished her first very very short season in Ibiza!) so, having some expertise in this field I can categorically state that ALL modern music is rubbish.

Move out of the way grandad!

Every generation bemoans the state of music and how it was best in their day. Music is in a constant state of renewal and there has been good, bad and terrible music in every era.

In 2040 we'll have middle aged people saying how terrible music is and how they miss the good old days of grime, K-pop etc from the 20s...

[The Bona Fide]

Apparently he really does - Matt Hancock defends grime music scene – Channel 4 News

Doesn't one have to load up on rather a lot of chemical refreshments to enjoy that din?

Don't think that's very appropriate for a minister of the crown.

[Eirikur]

I know the power of the UK’s urban music scene. I have the great honour of championing British music around the world.

He calls it music I call it tulipnoise

[The Bona Fide]

Speaking as someone who's daughter is a DJ who plays House music (Tech House and Deep House - She has just finished her first very very short season in Ibiza!) so, having some expertise in this field I can categorically state that ALL modern music is rubbish.

Yes, I can't get over how anodyne it all is. I have to suffer it in the gym when I've forgotten to bring my own headphones.

Is it just me or do I imagine that sort of warbling effect that present day singers seem to do these days? It's almost like they're singing through Peter Frampton's box of tricks.

[Lockhouse]

Speaking as someone who's daughter is a DJ who plays House music (Tech House and Deep House - She has just finished her first very very short season in Ibiza!) so, having some expertise in this field I can categorically state that ALL modern music is rubbish.

[SueEllen]

Maybe he should have stuck to culture and swerved being Health & Social Care Minister?

Problem is this government has rolled out the culture minister for loads of briefings so Door Matt still couldn't have hid.