Reply to: Dreadful article let's dispel some myths in this anti contractor environment

[Old Greg]

FFS

94

Close but no cigar.

[Whorty]

Sorry didn't read all your email, I'm in such a rush sometimes. Sorry to hear about your situation, i was carer also i worked and basically cared for my sick father, 7 days a week, very nearly burnt me out completely but also helped in some ways.

For the record ... I didn't email him I think he meant the post.

have one of these Shacky as you make your way off the forum ....

[vetran]

Oh could we be spared the tiresome and tulip sockie accounts.

King Henry the EEK?

[cojak]

And if he thought a sob story would save him, he was wrong.

[eek]

Sorry didn't read all your email, I'm in such a rush sometimes. Sorry to hear about your situation, i was carer also i worked and basically cared for my sick father, 7 days a week, very nearly burnt me out completely but also helped in some ways.

Oh could we be spared the tiresome and tulip sockie accounts.

[Shackattack]

Sorry didn't read all your email, I'm in such a rush sometimes. Sorry to hear about your situation, i was carer also i worked and basically cared for my sick father, 7 days a week, very nearly burnt me out completely but also helped in some ways.

[Old Greg]

HHMM startinhg tom become clear.

So my question was, 1st up why do so many people on a contractor forum have such strong anti contractor sentiment and actually what business of theirs is it how much we earn?

2nd up, Contractors are not employees, disguised or other.

3rd, the alternative to contractors are agencies who are expensive, unproductive and notoriously difficult and unwieldy to manage.

The only time I've seen agency staff do well is when they are, surprise surprise, integrated and embedded within the end clients offices. A bit like an employee.

Clearly this law was bought in to protect big agencies not for the benefit of the economy, not for ordinary working people, not for business.

I'll write more when I have time but I think the answer here is contractors banding together and offering clients value added service rather than rip off big agency fees.

FFS

94

[Shackattack]

Nope, no contradiction. As others on here know I'm currently a full time carer for my sick so I only work 2 days a week all from home. When I lose her I may go back to my normal working pattern, or not ....

Previous 2 contracts were 3 days a week and before that 5 days a week. I have time off between contracts.


Again, nope - that's all in your head.


How can one person be so wrong? People contract for many different reasons as you should well know if you're a contractor and you mix with other contractors. Some for the money, some for the flexibility and some because they are not good enough to get a permie job. Contracting is an option, but certainly not a natural progression. Many many people are happy and very successful as permie.


No idea what this sentence is even saying. Care to write it again in English before you're banned so that we can give it an answer?

HHMM startinhg tom become clear.

So my question was, 1st up why do so many people on a contractor forum have such strong anti contractor sentiment and actually what business of theirs is it how much we earn?

2nd up, Contractors are not employees, disguised or other.

3rd, the alternative to contractors are agencies who are expensive, unproductive and notoriously difficult and unwieldy to manage.

The only time I've seen agency staff do well is when they are, surprise surprise, integrated and embedded within the end clients offices. A bit like an employee.

Clearly this law was bought in to protect big agencies not for the benefit of the economy, not for ordinary working people, not for business.

I'll write more when I have time but I think the answer here is contractors banding together and offering clients value added service rather than rip off big agency fees.

[Whorty]

Seems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.

Nope, no contradiction. As others on here know I'm currently a full time carer for my sick wife so I only work 2 days a week all from home. When I lose her I may go back to my normal working pattern, or not ....

Previous 2 contracts were 3 days a week and before that 5 days a week. I have time off between contracts.

Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous?

Again, nope - that's all in your head.

Contracting is a natural progression.

How can one person be so wrong? People contract for many different reasons as you should well know if you're a contractor and you mix with other contractors. Some for the money, some for the flexibility and some because they are not good enough to get a permie job. Contracting is an option, but certainly not a natural progression. Many many people are happy and very successful as permie.

Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)

No idea what this sentence is even saying. Care to write it again in English before you're banned so that we can give it an answer?

[LondonPM1]

Seems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.

Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)

I think the old folk dont want the young ones to take their jobs! Its a bit of a old boys club like cambridge or eaton is. So there is always this pretence that they are far superior

Dont worry though - Time usually fixes that

[darmstadt]

It's perfectly feasible to work 2 days a week for 50 weeks of the year.

And it's:
Whorty
jealous
of

If not onsite or in the office, which is about 5140 miles away, then I only work 4 hours a day so about 2 days a week although I would have no idea if I work 50 weeks a year, probably not...

[Old Greg]

It's perfectly feasible to work 2 days a week for 50 weeks of the year.

And it's:
Whorty
jealous
of

Shackattack is the sharpest tool (although he is definitely a tool).

[ladymuck]

Seems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.

Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)

It's perfectly feasible to work 2 days a week for 50 weeks of the year.

And it's:
Whorty
jealous
of

[cojak]

Seems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.

Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)

There aren't any anti-contractors on here.

There are just contractors and ex-contractors.

(And you need to respond to this very carefully...)

[Shackattack]

No, but that's because I'm happy with my situation. I don't contract for the money, I do it for the flexibility. Currently only working 2 days a week and that pays the bills; I don't 'need' to work any more. I might switch next time to more days a week and less months a year but don't need to make that decision just yet.

Even if perm paid more I'd still prefer contracting. I closed my LTD a couple of years ago and now either work via umbrella or FTCs. I have nothing against perms, but my lifestyle is better suited to contracting and the flexibility I get with this way of working.

Seems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.

Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)