Reply to: The Matrix is about....

[SueEllen]

More interesting would be where does a sense of gender lie in the order of development, as sense of self emerges? Is it one of the first things or one of the last key components of identity?

Not read around that bit.

Though you must know/have met children up to the age of 8 who decide whether someone is a boy or girl, man or woman by what they wear, hair style etc.

[d000hg]

Babies and young toddlers don't have a concept of gender and sex. Babies don't even know they are separate individuals for the first few months and only at around 18 months do they realise that other people have different thoughts to them.

More interesting would be where does a sense of gender lie in the order of development, as sense of self emerges? Is it one of the first things or one of the last key components of identity?

[Paralytic]

Babies and young toddlers don't have a concept of gender and sex. Babies don't even know they are separate individuals for the first few months and only at around 18 months do they realise that other people have different thoughts to them.

There's a guy/gal/other over not the stock market thread with the same issue!

[vetran]

A fictional character? Tricky.

he is only fictional in your mind - take the red pill...

[Old Greg]

Not fictional, you just haven't imagined you've them

That said half the people here are fictional characters.

FTFY

[d000hg]

You regularly talk to a fictional character.

Not fictional, you just haven't met them

That said half the people here are fictional characters.

[Old Greg]

A fictional character? Tricky.

You regularly talk to a fictional character.

[wattaj]

...I do have to say, on the purely superficial level Lana and Lilly are about the least convincing trans women, they look like little Britain characters. I thought the photo I saw was a joke for a second.

Allow me to introduce you to Alex Drummond; a "lesbian" who sits on Stonewall's "Trans Advisor Group".

See also, Magdalen Bern's excellent take-down of this nonsense: Alex / Transgender UK - YouTube

[NotAllThere]

Tell Neo that.

A fictional character? Tricky.

[d000hg]

So the Wachowski brothers are now sisters. That seems more interesting than any Matrix talk,

First I've heard about a 4th Matrix movie. So Neo will now also be trans?

I hadn't heard they were, but agreed that has to be pretty rare. It is hardly a big leap to that understanding of the film though - pretty thin disguise in hindsight.

Matrix 4 has been in the works for quite some time, with most of the big original cast names. I am now wondering if the film will just be a thin veneer for 2.5 hours of trans apologetics dressed as a Sci Fi film, but I do think the idea of a character with different genders would've been quite interesting.

I do have to say, on the purely superficial level Lana and Lilly are about the least convincing trans women, they look like little Britain characters. I thought the photo I saw was a joke for a second.

[Hobosapien]

It's interesting that the more prominant people to change gender (afaik) are men beyond 50.

Bruce Jenner (Olympic decathlete in the earlier life), Robert Millar (pro cyclist in the earlier life), and now the Wachowskis.

Maybe it's more widespread than my limited knowledge so I'm only seeing a very small snapshot of the bigger picture, otherwise it seems to be a mid life crisis thing.

[Old Greg]

Dead naming. It's a real shame that some individuals feel the need to blank out the part of their life before they decided they were a different gender.

Tell Neo that.

[NotAllThere]

I'm more interested in how people react to the authors. It's interesting though - particularly the deadnaming re Mr Anderson / Neo.

Dead naming. It's a real shame that some individuals feel the need to blank out the part of their life before they decided they were a different gender.

If someone misnames me, I just tell them "that's not my name". What I may have called myself 30 years ago isn't really relevant. "That girl was a man was". The correct response is "So what?". I first encountered a transsexual back in 1977. Even then most people couldn't give a toss.

[Old Greg]

Not really. I thought is was good sci-fi because the interpretation is far wider. But if you want to interpret as being solely about gender being an artificial construct go for it - which is still up for debate - then go for it. The authors' interpretation is often not the best. That's why creativity is so cool.

I'm more interested in how people react to the authors. It's interesting though - particularly the deadnaming re Mr Anderson / Neo.

[NotAllThere]

Kind of like gender, eh?

Not really. I thought is was good sci-fi because the interpretation is far wider. But if you want to interpret as being solely about gender being an artificial construct go for it - which is still up for debate - then go for it. The authors' interpretation is often not the best. That's why creativity is so cool.