Reply to: Interesting Tweet from a Dr

[OwlHoot]

I don't read Twitter but saw this thread earlier from a Doc. Not short, but worth a read.


https://twitter.com/doctor_katie/sta...72535330979841

"Not short", you can say that again!

Wouldn't it be better for this lady to have a blog? Using twitter for her ramblings seems like trying to fit a quart into a pint pot!

[Scoobos]

I think its a common story tbh.

A huge scandal for me, was the deliberate downgrading of the severity of Covid 19 , to essentially try and protect DHSC from employment laws that obligate them to protect the workforce from hazardous environments.

Today, in many many hospitals - people STILL don't have full PPE in Covid wards, 1 person does - the thinking being that the risk is if someone has a cardiac arrest or needs some kind of close work , then they call for the PPE staff member.

In many covid wards now, doctors are still going singularly into wards and treating 8 patients , performing all the tasks that would usually be done by several staff , to minimise risk - but still only wearing nitrile gloves and a surgical mask.

One of the biggest lessons learned from this, is that the quality of care in ITU for Covid is much less than what would be deemed "acceptable to good" in a standard ward.

There are a few people in thread talking about PHE or NHS England , having some say in the purchase of this equipment. AFAIK this isn't correct - DHSC took total ownership of procurement :

Procurement at DHSC - Department of Health and Social Care - GOV.UK

COVID-19: personal protective equipment (PPE) plan - GOV.UK

Procurement was funnelled via (and I hate this having a presence on the NHS domain, because its a private limited!) SCCL

https://www.sccl.nhs.uk/

Now this is "a bloke told me" but apparently, their idea of procurement is to buy a load of stuff and leave it outside the doorstep for someone else to distribute.

SCCL sourced everything. Very little to this day , is coming from the local businesses that "did the right thing" and invested in PPE production facilities, they are selling it all overseas or giving it away.

[DimPrawn]

It is all bollox. Currently we have around 20K extra deaths over a normal year of seasonal flu, with a vast majority of those in the 75+ group. Currently there are expected to be an extra 10K deaths from Cancer patients already diagnosed and unable to be treated. The longer the mal-managed NHS carries on like this the bigger that number will be, as they are currently not doing biopsies, with 1M+ waiting. This is across all age groups as Cancer is indiscriminate.

And a qualified GP knows that worldwide deaths from Obesity this year will be approaching 9.5M, so I think some serious discussion needs to be had regarding our responses and the NHS reaction, the answer is not always 'throw money at it'.

More made up bollox by another ill informed moron.


Excess deaths in UK under coronavirus lockdown pass 63,000 | Society | The Guardian

The number of excess deaths in the period from the week ending 27 March to 29 May was 57,961. Statisticians say this figure could show undiagnosed Covid-19 deaths as well as deaths caused by a lack of treatment resulting from the lockdown.

Adding in excess deaths for a similar period in Scotland and Northern Ireland, the total rises to 63,629.

You need to wakeup mate.

[NigelJK]

It is all bollox. Currently we have around 20K extra deaths over a normal year of seasonal flu, with a vast majority of those in the 75+ group. Currently there are expected to be an extra 10K deaths from Cancer patients already diagnosed and unable to be treated. The longer the mal-managed NHS carries on like this the bigger that number will be, as they are currently not doing biopsies, with 1M+ waiting. This is across all age groups as Cancer is indiscriminate.

And a qualified GP knows that worldwide deaths from Obesity this year will be approaching 9.5M, so I think some serious discussion needs to be had regarding our responses and the NHS reaction, the answer is not always 'throw money at it'.

[minestrone]

Some surgeries were hoarding PPE.

I never said that.

[woohoo]

You don't have friends who are doctors, who you can ask information from? I would've thought most contractors here socialised in such circles. It's one of the main reasons I'm fully aware of the situation in England and Scotland. Perhaps those posting here who live in NI and Wales can confirm the state of affairs there.

Funnily enough had friends round at the weekend to social distance celebrate my birthday. Two of them Doctors.

Always so certain, arent you.

[woohoo]

It seems the powers that be don't think you're right about the PPE being OK. As she points out in her third tweet, "Batches of the rebadged masks were revealed last week to not be safe and practices advised to destroy them."

If you read the advice from NHS England that is exactly what they do. They test the PPE and if fails it's then destroyed.

[NickFitz]

The expired PPE was just nonsense, the PPE was retested to make sure it was still OK. She may well have had some real factual points to make but was spoilt by her political views and disingenuous comments.

It seems the powers that be don't think you're right about the PPE being OK. As she points out in her third tweet, "Batches of the rebadged masks were revealed last week to not be safe and practices advised to destroy them."

[rogerfederer]

Not really pages was it, it's tweets. If you are getting a tweet and pages mixed up then perhaps you should read more actual books.

I think bringing in her political views was a mistake and I do wonder if she is a serial ranter.

The expired PPE was just nonsense, the PPE was retested to make sure it was still OK. She may well have had some real factual points to make but was spoilt by her political views and disingenuous comments.

The PPE was the lowest quality of PPE issued in Europe to frontline medical staff. Surgical masks and, if lucky, a basic thin plastic apron - both to be reused for a week - were the order of the day. The quality of respirator facemask advice was then downgraded by PHE to address the shortage, rather than ramp up productions of appropriate respirators.

You don't have friends who are doctors, who you can ask information from? I would've thought most contractors here socialised in such circles. It's one of the main reasons I'm fully aware of the situation in England and Scotland. Perhaps those posting here who live in NI and Wales can confirm the state of affairs there.

[DimPrawn]

Government screwed up in not deal with Covid-19 considerably earlier. With explanations, personal testimony and analysis. I've read the same stuff before, and while I think it's probably fair comment, I didn't read it in detail.

We looked at USA and thought, we can do a worse job than that cretin Trump! Easy!

[NotAllThere]

Can someone summarise for the terminally moronic with acute laziness?

Government screwed up in not deal with Covid-19 considerably earlier. With explanations, personal testimony and analysis. I've read the same stuff before, and while I think it's probably fair comment, I didn't read it in detail.

[clearedforlanding]

Can someone summarise for the terminally moronic with acute laziness?

Sure. Cocaine make you thinner is the main gist I got from this.

[DimPrawn]

Can someone summarise for the terminally moronic with acute laziness?

[Whorty]

Not really pages was it, it's tweets. If you are getting a tweet and pages mixed up then perhaps you should read more actual books.

I think bringing in her political views was a mistake and I do wonder if she is a serial ranter.

The expired PPE was just nonsense, the PPE was retested to make sure it was still OK. She may well have had some real factual points to make but was spoilt by her political views and disingenuous comments.

You're clearly an expert ... maybe you should take over her role of advising Cambs GPs as you're clearly far more knowledgeable

Or, just maybe, you don't like what she says as it's against the colour of rosette you vote for

Ignore the politics and look at the facts that she talks about.

[woohoo]

Hmmm, inneresting you think that. Clearly you're more triggered by that one mention of Brexit, rather than the other 20 odd pages of well written expert analysis.

I guess you know more than this highly respected doctor

Not really pages was it, it's tweets. If you are getting a tweet and pages mixed up then perhaps you should read more actual books.

I think bringing in her political views was a mistake and I do wonder if she is a serial ranter.

The expired PPE was just nonsense, the PPE was retested to make sure it was still OK. She may well have had some real factual points to make but was spoilt by her political views and disingenuous comments.