Reply to: BLM stress fractures appearing

[minestrone]

In like half of Africa you will get stoned to death for trying to start a non 'nuclear family'. And not that women get the chance as half are ( usually forcibly ) married by the time they are 18.

These people are rockets and should be ignored. I hope business has learned a lesson through this and will now give up on 'causes'.

Luckily the schools are all off, I would hate to think the gibberish teachers would have been thrusting down kids throats if they were in.

[NotAllThere]

Don't try and use logic, you'll hurt yourself

FTFY

[LondonManc]

Just a moment...

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement"

They're trying to normalise absenteeism etc. instead of try and improve the situation - studies on non-nuclear family upbringing and outcomes is well measure, disproportionately effecting black children.

Don't try and use logic with d000hg, it generally doesn't end well.

[TheGreenBastard]

Those are elements of BLM though, not the official stance.

Just a moment...

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement"

They're trying to normalise absenteeism etc. instead of try and improve the situation - studies on non-nuclear family upbringing and outcomes is well measure, disproportionately effecting black children.

[northernladuk]

Those are elements of BLM though, not the official stance.

Like any demonstration the same loonies attend with the same message regardless of the reason for the actual demonstration. I'd bet my last pound there will be a few extinction logos somewhere around....

[d000hg]

-regarding your point about BLM US not being anti capitalist:

*the BLM US CHOP zone in New York, contains graffiti stating they want to abolish capitalism at 24:18, including a Soviet style hammer and sickle.
YouTube

*The BLM US CHOP in Seattle, advocates ending work, presumably some sort of guaranteed income scheme 0:18
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Those are elements of BLM though, not the official stance.

[caffeine man]

BLM UK is an avowedly anti-capitalist organisation. BLM US is not. In the US, the defunding does mean spending less on the police and more on community support services, so the police don't have to, e.g. deal with raving nutters on a regularly basis. The idea is that far too much is required of US cops, and this is one of the causes of police being less than ideal at times.

US and UK police systems are quite different, but BLM UK are too ideologically entrapped to be able to comprehend this.

-regarding your point about BLM US not being anti capitalist:

*the BLM US CHOP zone in New York, contains graffiti stating they want to abolish capitalism at 24:18, including a Soviet style hammer and sickle.
YouTube

*The BLM US CHOP in Seattle, advocates ending work, presumably some sort of guaranteed income scheme 0:18
YouTube

[NotAllThere]

... they were persecuting African Americans while fighting someone persecuting Jews.

Just finished reading Hidden Figures. I know.

Idiotic thing is not even guns, but moronic claims that being made wear a mask during pandemic is somehow violates Constitutional rights.

The right to bear guns and the right not to bear masks.

[quackhandle]

To us with our very-odd-to-them NHS and no 2nd amendment, yes.
It's a nation built on hypocrisy and war. Don't forget that during WW2 they were persecuting African Americans while fighting someone persecuting Jews.

White man was doing it a hundred years previously if you read Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee.

An interesting, but ultimately tragic story. All tribes got f**ked over hand over fist.

qh

[LondonManc]

It's not about "guns" per se; it's about liberty/freedom and right to defend oneself against oppression i.e. British overlords or a domestic gov that limits freedom. It made a lot of sense at the time, and the fundamental concept is compelling to this day.

Europeans (Brits included) have a strong tendency toward big governments wiping their arses, so scoff at US gun laws.

I think the 2nd amendment has had its day (lots of contradictory wire tapping laws in the US now), but I believe the idea behind it is fundamentally good.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I don't scoff at that; it simply needs a lot more to back it up, which it has. The greater problem is the US firearms industry is worth over $50billion and provides over 300,000 jobs. Therefore there is great interest in keeping it going beyond the basic firearms industry that we have for hunting, etc.

[northernladuk]

Indeed. From otherwise intelligent, educated American friends I've heard

• We must have guns so we can defend ourselves against the government.
• Obamacare means the government gets to decide who lives and who dies. Far better that the insurance companies be able to make this choice - then it's just market forces.

Bat-poo crazy.

Yep, great examples and there are plenty more. And they are absolutely serious about stuff like this. It's not just for loon's and lefties/righties.

[AtW]

Idiotic thing is not even guns, but moronic claims that being made wear a mask during pandemic is somehow violates Constitutional rights.

[TheGreenBastard]

Their second amendment is all about gun rights.

It's not about "guns" per se; it's about liberty/freedom and right to defend oneself against oppression i.e. British overlords or a domestic gov that limits freedom. It made a lot of sense at the time, and the fundamental concept is compelling to this day.

Europeans (Brits included) have a strong tendency toward big governments wiping their arses, so scoff at US gun laws.

I think the 2nd amendment has had its day (lots of contradictory wire tapping laws in the US now), but I believe the idea behind it is fundamentally good.

[LondonManc]

Indeed. From otherwise intelligent, educated American friends I've heard

• We must have guns so we can defend ourselves against the government.
• Obamacare means the government gets to decide who lives and who dies. Far better that the insurance companies be able to make this choice - then it's just market forces.

Bat-poo crazy.

To us with our very-odd-to-them NHS and no 2nd amendment, yes.
It's a nation built on hypocrisy and war. Don't forget that during WW2 they were persecuting African Americans while fighting someone persecuting Jews.

[NotAllThere]

It is and they are very passionate about it. That's why it makes me laugh when people from the UK attempt to cast their opinion on gun laws over there. We just cannot begin to comprehend it.

Indeed. From otherwise intelligent, educated American friends I've heard

• We must have guns so we can defend ourselves against the government.
• Obamacare means the government gets to decide who lives and who dies. Far better that the insurance companies be able to make this choice - then it's just market forces.

Bat-poo crazy.