Reply to: Coding that led to lockdown was 'totally unreliable' and a 'buggy mess', say experts

[NigelJK]

According to Private Eye this model was brought to you by the same bloke that modelled the Foot and Mouth outbreak a few years ago. The NAO slammed that model also when it was discovered that it predicted more than 400 new cases a day when in actual fact there were only 8. This resulted in the needless culling of millions of farm animals. He was given an OBE and promotion to SAGE. Post devastation the enquiry found the model was 'not fit for purpose'

[Gibbon]

I agree, care homes should have been able to cope and under normal times, when it's just one or 2 care homes dealing with a flu or norovirus outbreak, but these aren't normal times. Care homes have (had) a shortage of PPE and presumably had a shortage of staff as some were self isolating.

But still, infected patients were being sent back to care homes and clearly a high number of these care homes were not geared up for this. The fact that we've had such a high number of deaths in the care home environment surely shows that we have had a major system breakdown?

As I've said on other threads, this virus has shed a light on our care sector which has not had the best reputation for some years. I get the feeling from your post that we both agree that care homes should not be privately run, and should fall under the NHS or at the very least not-for-profit sector.

Privately run care homes don't have the same resources to call on as those run by the LA, but they shouldn't have been accepting people if they didn't and couldn't make sure they kept the rest of the residents safe, but a full bed = money!.

Trouble is Council run homes are vastly more expensive mainly to do with staffing costs made worse by an over generous sick leave which a small minority do abuse. It can take 2 years to get rid of continually 'sick' person, but for every hour they don't work the hourly rate increases as you can't run a shift 'light'. So its down to overtime or agency rates on top.

[Whorty]

That's not quite true, the care homes should have been able to deal with it through rigorous infection control. They do this, or should, for influenza and norovirus
Leeds City Council run homes have accepted CVID19 positive people and effectively barrier cared for them, in the homes where people have tested positive it has been staff bringing it in. But they have had no high death rates and no spread. A lot of the high death rates in Leeds has been in the private run homes. This is more the question. Services are contracted out to the cheapest bidders, get what you pay for.

I agree, care homes should have been able to cope and under normal times, when it's just one or 2 care homes dealing with a flu or norovirus outbreak, but these aren't normal times. Care homes have (had) a shortage of PPE and presumably had a shortage of staff as some were self isolating.

But still, infected patients were being sent back to care homes and clearly a high number of these care homes were not geared up for this. The fact that we've had such a high number of deaths in the care home environment surely shows that we have had a major system breakdown?

As I've said on other threads, this virus has shed a light on our care sector which has not had the best reputation for some years. I get the feeling from your post that we both agree that care homes should not be privately run, and should fall under the NHS or at the very least not-for-profit sector.

[Gibbon]

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It's not about sacrificing people, it's about trying to protect the most vulnerable whilst not destroying society. Importing infected old people back into care homes is partly why were are where we are today, not because we locked down 3 weeks too late.

That's not quite true, the care homes should have been able to deal with it through rigorous infection control. They do this, or should, for influenza and norovirus
Leeds City Council run homes have accepted CVID19 positive people and effectively barrier cared for them, in the homes where people have tested positive it has been staff bringing it in. But they have had no high death rates and no spread. A lot of the high death rates in Leeds has been in the private run homes. This is more the question. Services are contracted out to the cheapest bidders, get what you pay for.

[DoctorStrangelove]

That I realised a long time ago. But the extent of how much people lie themselves to stay happy surprises me everyday.

"Always look on the bright side of life".

It's what keeps me going.

And the difficulty of knocking that 3rd nail in without assistance.

[TwoWolves]

I did a gig for 2.5 years with some government scientists.

About 70% of them are totally useless and not worth your time of day. I was fortunate and was working directly with some of the best but spent a lot of time getting them to understand the basics.

Even understanding the utility of a repeatable function that takes alternate parameters was an uphill struggle, these guys write programs as bloody great copy and paste scripts with alternate values. Prone to a mass of typos.

The worst make no mathematical sense at all and just seem to perform random mathematical operations on disparate values - these are the charlatans of course.

Government science needs some "rationalisation" I think.

[Whorty]

Most of the times I post here is while being drunk,

This explains a lot

but that does not mean what I say is not true.

Yes it does

If the truth goes against what makes you happy and the way you perceive the world around you, and what gives you perceived "value" in this society than any argument I make, no matter how plausible, would be fought by every fibre of you.

You don't post the truth. You ramble and rant drunken drivel. You have zero idea what makes me happy.

Those who understand should make their decisions accordingly. I'll deviate a bit - there is this channel Tech Lead: Are Facebook employees depressed? (H1B slavery visa & abuse) - and it mentions that in Silicon Valley some employers only do mock-up interviews with the people around the area just to show they are searching for resources locally and would go for the ones with shorter strings attached - H1B visa. And some other issues...
It is very much alike to how the establishment is treating people here how.

What's this got to do with coronavirus? And why do I give 2 flying fooks what's going on in America?

[Whorty]

The tin foil hat he was wearing while posting didn't convince you?

Nah ...

[GigiBronz]

It's taken this long to realise that we're all cannon fodder?

It was ever thus.

That I realised a long time ago. But the extent of how much people lie themselves to stay happy surprises me everyday.

[DoctorStrangelove]

My take is that the establishment simply does not care about you

It's taken this long to realise that we're all cannon fodder?

It was ever thus.

[GigiBronz]

To be fair to you, your incoherent rant doesn't go into any detail, well, certainly nothing rational anyway

Most of the times I post here is while being drunk, but that does not mean what I say is not true.

If the truth goes against what makes you happy and the way you perceive the world around you, and what gives you perceived "value" in this society than any argument I make, no matter how plausible, would be fought by every fibre of you.

Those who understand should make their decisions accordingly. I'll deviate a bit - there is this channel Tech Lead: Are Facebook employees depressed? (H1B slavery visa & abuse) - and it mentions that in Silicon Valley some employers only do mock-up interviews with the people around the area just to show they are searching for resources locally and would go for the ones with shorter strings attached - H1B visa. And some other issues...
It is very much alike to how the establishment is treating people here how.

[NotAllThere]

To be fair to you, your incoherent rant doesn't go into any detail, well, certainly nothing rational anyway

The tin foil hat he was wearing while posting didn't convince you?

[Whorty]

I won't waste my time getting into detail but: Secret services definitely knew when it happened. This is how it works, all countries have vast networks of people with the sole purpose of getting information before it goes out.

My take is that the establishment simply does not care about you, these measures so far have been in place just to give the impression of "taking action" the call to get back to normal will come soon irrespective of the consequences. Even the IT people or engineering or everyone that could have worked just as well from home. Because modern workforce it is not only about productivity and doing the rational thing... it is also about keeping population under control. Suppressing anyone that might pose a risk to the "status quo".
So basically few more will dye, you'll be sent to the office during periods of high stress just because the establishment does not want you to get used to more freedom.
It will become clear over few weeks, when the hush hushed call to get back to the office from managers will arise. They will have to develop wise plots to give the impression that "caring workers" decided to come on their own.
If you don't want to have here the brainwashed America and have your kids over the head in debt doing meaningless work in the corporate chain so that they can afford to survive, I would think differently.

To be fair to you, your incoherent rant doesn't go into any detail, well, certainly nothing rational anyway

[minestrone]

His “crap” code saved lots of people worldwide from nasty death and even more from kong term suffering from this virus.

Measurably.

[AtW]

His “crap” code saved lots of people worldwide from nasty death and even more from kong term suffering from this virus.