Reply to: Family's heartbreak as carer, 21, dies of coronavirus with boyfriend by her side

[minestrone]

Anyway the worst part of the updated story in the Guardian is...

"Middleton’s mother, aunt and boyfriend have not responded to the Guardian’s requests for an interview."

Honestly, like fookin ghouls.

"Hi there, I know someone you love has died but we are looking for an angle to criticise the government so we are phoning everyone in your immediate family"

Oh look, the article has now been sent down the memory hole...

Chloe Middleton: death of 21-year-old not recorded as Covid-19 | World news | The Guardian

Utterly grotesque journalism that even they realised had to be deleted.

[minestrone]

Anyway the worst part of the updated story in the Guardian is...

"Middleton’s mother, aunt and boyfriend have not responded to the Guardian’s requests for an interview."

Honestly, like fookin ghouls.

"Hi there, I know someone you love has died but we are looking for an angle to criticise the government so we are phoning everyone in your immediate family"

[minestrone]

My own experience, which may be different to that of others, is that even as a fit and health individual with no underlying conditions and no known health issues I have found it to be the worst illness I have ever experienced.

For people such as myself we see the peak of the illness and the automatic reaction is to dial 111 after following the NHS24 online instructions. In your case, you need to use your head and err on the side of caution.

If may be worth phoning your GP already to inform them you believe you have it. You are definitely a priority for testing, for a start.

The limitations of breathing still persist, but at random severity each few hours, even if my own peak illness was a few days ago. People report feeling like "this is the end", which I would say is a fair comment. However it's not the end, so don't panic.

Hang in there and trust how you and your body feel: 111 or, if you just know you need to, 999 and blue lights. Don't drive to a hospital. I mention this as some people have done this but many have police guards now to help limit A&E entry for those with suspected Covid19.

Best of luck and keep hydrated, eat good food even if you don't feel like eating.

I'm getting that from reading your posts.

[rogerfederer]

Well I'm now on the "Lockdown" list. Let the games begin.

For:

I'm not ready yet.
My immune system

Against:

Cancer
Lymphadaemia
Arthritis
Osteopeania
No bowel
Depressed

Oh forgot... My heart is a bit sus after my last op too.

I likes them odds.

My own experience, which may be different to that of others, is that even as a fit and health individual with no underlying conditions and no known health issues I have found it to be the worst illness I have ever experienced.

For people such as myself we see the peak of the illness and the automatic reaction is to dial 111 after following the NHS24 online instructions. In your case, you need to use your head and err on the side of caution.

If may be worth phoning your GP already to inform them you believe you have it. You are definitely a priority for testing, for a start.

The limitations of breathing still persist, but at random severity each few hours, even if my own peak illness was a few days ago. People report feeling like "this is the end", which I would say is a fair comment. However it's not the end, so don't panic.

Hang in there and trust how you and your body feel: 111 or, if you just know you need to, 999 and blue lights. Don't drive to a hospital. I mention this as some people have done this but many have police guards now to help limit A&E entry for those with suspected Covid19.

Best of luck and keep hydrated, eat good food even if you don't feel like eating.

[rogerfederer]

Does anyone remember the other screwball fantasist that use to pretend to be a doctor on here?

The points I made are fair. Different countries are recording death stats differently. Italy is over-presuming and is assigning a covid19 death tally to any death in which the victim is fairly guessed to have covid19.

Other countries, such as France, aren't even yet counting those who die in care homes. Yes, some people die every day in care homes in France but it's the inconsistency between countries I am highlighting. As you can see, Italy's methodology is displaying much higher total deaths. I am therefore concerned France, UK and the rest aren't performing anywhere near as much tests as Italy and deaths are not being recorded as covid19 when they were covid19.

[Highland]

Does anyone remember the other screwball fantasist that use to pretend to be a doctor on here?

Was their username not "Cytokene storm"?

[Lost It]

Always said if they shut down soshul meeja in times like this there wouldn't be so much crap out there.

Although I do know once you are on a ventilator that's when the real risk occurs. When other organs start to fail. Took a lot of notice of that after my last operation... I had sepsis.

[minestrone]

I stripped out some info, but you're welcome to go read the article yourself, as you seem to have done. Sorry, but Covid19 isn't just a cough; it can cause major organ failure and a raft of symptoms that are absolutely horrendous, each of which could result in death of a particular bodily function.

If someone has covid19 it is known to have a myriad of symptoms that affect even the organs and can cause organ failure due to the cytokene storm invoked in some people. I wouldn't expect death to be recorded as "Cytokene storm, RIP" and neither would I expect the virus causing heart failure in spreading to the heart to be recorded as "Heart attack" and, crucially NOT included in the Covid19 death toll.

In these instances, on the side of caution, it seems entirely fair to suggest that individual wouldn't be in the hospital if they hadn't acquired whatever mututation of Covid19 they had.

In addition: China perform four tests prior to discharging somebody to be very sure they have no detectable viral load and mistakes aren't made. It has been indicated to me by a doctor that they due to shortage they are performing one test, even on a dead body.

I'd say these points are vital to ascertaining whether our death toll figure is much reduced as a result; why assume it's only the couple of cases so far this has happened to? What if it's on a mass scale but grieving families aren't yet querying some of the more controversial cases not designated as Covid19 deaths?

I am shocked that we are even discussing such questions and hope that a raft of doctors will reassure me I am wrong. Alas with the limited test facility and labs overloaded I think it's fair to say we're missing out positive cases, deaths or living!

Does anyone remember the other screwball fantasist that use to pretend to be a doctor on here?

[GhostofTarbera]

Well I'm now on the "Lockdown" list. Let the games begin.

For:

I'm not ready yet.

Against:

Cancer
Lymphadaemia
Arthritis
Osteopeania
No bowel
Depressed

I likes them odds.

Can I borrow £20 please


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[Lost It]

Well I'm now on the "Lockdown" list. Let the games begin.

For:

I'm not ready yet.
My immune system

Against:

Cancer
Lymphadaemia
Arthritis
Osteopeania
No bowel
Depressed

Oh forgot... My heart is a bit sus after my last op too.

I likes them odds.

[SueEllen]

I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding is the Metro is the DailyMail lite and produced on the same printing presses as the DailyHate, sorry DailyMail.

They all have a few newspapers in all their stables. The Metro aims itself at a younger, more ethnically and sexually diverse demographic who have a shorter attention span.

[scooterscot]

This is all so troubling / worrying learning of these new developments.

Dying from a heart attack without underlying symptoms at such a young age is surely remote.

[NotAllThere]

Kind of suggests that the idea that countries are recording any deaths where the patient tested positive for Covid-19 isn't true.

[rogerfederer]

Can you expand a bit on why someone having the cause of death recorded as a heart attack, after seemingly they had a heart attack, is a "travesty". Rather than having it recorded as CV19 related on the basis of them having a cough?

Also - you've split your quotes above and it makes it look like the hospital spokeswoman said "He went into hospital with viral pneumonia, but other than that he was healthy. People have got to start taking this seriously.” - this was in fact the poor guys mother. It looks like he was tested and positive for CV19 "He was being treated in an isolation ward with other patients who had also tested positive for the virus".

I stripped out some info, but you're welcome to go read the article yourself, as you seem to have done. Sorry, but Covid19 isn't just a cough; it can cause major organ failure and a raft of symptoms that are absolutely horrendous, each of which could result in death of a particular bodily function.

If someone has covid19 it is known to have a myriad of symptoms that affect even the organs and can cause organ failure due to the cytokene storm invoked in some people. I wouldn't expect death to be recorded as "Cytokene storm, RIP" and neither would I expect the virus causing heart failure in spreading to the heart to be recorded as "Heart attack" and, crucially NOT included in the Covid19 death toll.

In these instances, on the side of caution, it seems entirely fair to suggest that individual wouldn't be in the hospital if they hadn't acquired whatever mututation of Covid19 they had.

In addition: China perform four tests prior to discharging somebody to be very sure they have no detectable viral load and mistakes aren't made. It has been indicated to me by a doctor that they due to shortage they are performing one test, even on a dead body.

I'd say these points are vital to ascertaining whether our death toll figure is much reduced as a result; why assume it's only the couple of cases so far this has happened to? What if it's on a mass scale but grieving families aren't yet querying some of the more controversial cases not designated as Covid19 deaths?

I am shocked that we are even discussing such questions and hope that a raft of doctors will reassure me I am wrong. Alas with the limited test facility and labs overloaded I think it's fair to say we're missing out positive cases, deaths or living!

[Highland]

I've found this thread frightening.

"A spokeswoman for the hospital confirmed that a 28-year-old man had died on 24 March after testing positive for the virus. “He died with Covid-19. I cannot tell you whether that was the reason he died,” she said.

He went into hospital with viral pneumonia, but other than that he was healthy. People have got to start taking this seriously.”

If someone is in for viral pneumonia and they're surrounded by people with Covid19 I'd expect at least four tests of them using the best testing methods possible. It's well known that viruses can spread to the heart muscle in some instances. This being recorded as a 'heart attack' in the case of the young girl or this young man is a travesty and defies the logic of, surely intelligent, doctors.

Glad the coroner is coming out with the info.

Can you expand a bit on why someone having the cause of death recorded as a heart attack, after seemingly they had a heart attack, is a "travesty". Rather than having it recorded as CV19 related on the basis of them having a cough?

Also - you've split your quotes above and it makes it look like the hospital spokeswoman said "He went into hospital with viral pneumonia, but other than that he was healthy. People have got to start taking this seriously.” - this was in fact the poor guys mother. It looks like he was tested and positive for CV19 "He was being treated in an isolation ward with other patients who had also tested positive for the virus".