Reply to: IR35 retrospective charges

[Paddy]

This is HMRC internal guide lines to their tax inspectors


ESM0117 - Employment Status Manual - HMRC internal manual - GOV.UK

Where it is agreed that a worker who has previously been regarded as self-employed should now be treated as employed, then you will need to consider whether to pursue the employer for NICs and tax for back years. The law and practice relating to NICs and tax is different, so you will need to consider each separately.

You need to draw your own conclusions about HMRC. As an example, I had a long conversation with them about 20 years ago about a very nasty property billionaire who lives not far away (he was also listed in the Panama Papers). He buys up leases and then enforces old redundant covenants to gain possession. His company is registered in Panama and the money comes back to the UK tax-free. HMRC said they do not have the budget to prosecute “such a large fish”. HMRC on go after the small fish and that satisfies their statistics.

Example here...

Why does HMRC go after the small fry but let the big fish go? | Life and style | The Guardian

HMRC are a bizarre outfit. Last week, they sent a letter to my friend Janet in Cumbria. They had discovered that she was selling art works and hadn’t told them, so naturally they were on it, demanding that she fill in a tax return.

But Janet is a pensioner, living on £155 a week, hasn’t paid tax for nine years, and her “art work” earns her nothing. She rang them up and explained, for ages, that she belongs to the village amateur artists’ group, sometimes puts her paintings into local exhibitions, designs and prints packets of 10 cards, which she sells at the post office, but after paying for materials, framing, mounting, exhibiting, printing and packaging, her profit is about minus £400 annually.

[BrilloPad]

How can HMRC get back the tax?

Retrospection is illegal?

[vetran]

I don't think much of CUK search but Google is good for finding CUK stuff, amazed how quickly it's available, must be some good SEO.

Nah one of the Google developers likes Squirrel porn!

[Hobosapien]

Check the visitors and most people online. Most of them are probably crawlers.

Like the rest of us, "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

Seems the only way out is to do whatever Gricer did to get permabanned whenever he pops up, whack-a-mole style. Yet he keeps coming back. Fits the definition of insanity.

[northernladuk]

I don't think much of CUK search but Google is good for finding CUK stuff, amazed how quickly it's available, must be some good SEO.

Did a general Google for answer to a technical question a few days ago, only relevant answer was on CUK. Was NF's answer to the same question I posted myself in CUK technical about a year ago. Doh! Nurse!

Check the visitors and most people online. Most of them are probably crawlers. It's is impressive how quick a new post hit Google.

Start a post saying admin is a twunt and it'll be on the first page in minutes. Google must agree.

[xoggoth]

I don't think much of CUK search but Google is good for finding CUK stuff, amazed how quickly it's available, must be some good SEO.

Did a general Google for answer to a technical question a few days ago, only relevant answer was on CUK. Was NF's answer to the same question I posted myself in CUK technical about a year ago. Doh! Nurse!

[Zigenare]

try searching for tedious twaddle

Found some!

[northernladuk]

OK, but for reasons that I can't determine, the search facility isn't working for me today, when it has in the past. It's not even picking up any of my posts, let alone those that I search for with a key word.

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So don't use it. Use a better method.

[BR14]

any[/B] of my posts

try searching for tedious twaddle

[Lance]

It's not even picking up any of my posts,

administrator inserted a relevance filter the other week. Did you miss the memo?

[JohntheBike]

How do you think I found them?

OK, but for reasons that I can't determine, the search facility isn't working for me today, when it has in the past. It's not even picking up any of my posts, let alone those that I search for with a key word.

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[ladymuck]

How do you think I found them?

actually it would help if the search facility worked.

[JohntheBike]

i don't have a problem with it.

well, I didn't in the past, but it doesn't seem to be working today.

[JohntheBike]

As has been mentioned a million times and is explained in a sticky in the FAQ the best way to search is to use the Google method.

Works perfect as you should well know.

I was referring to the search facility on these fora.

[BR14]

As has been mentioned a million times and is explained in a sticky in the FAQ the best way to search is to use the Google method.

Works perfect as you should well know.

google doesn't run Cobol