Reply to: Streatham

[Hobosapien]

Well OK I mean the response of the police in a broader sense of the word. The fact that the police had a team monitoring him was clearly the correct thing to do, and shows the police are getting better at identifying the threats and being ready to neutralise them.

They could have saved time by doing the 'pick up the gun' sketch outside prison rather than poncing about around the streets of London waiting for him to find some victims.

[RetSet]

If it is a disease then surely there must be some level of treatment possible, .

Yep. Castration & ECT

[GJABS]

There was a team of them following him!

So really their response was a bit slow

Well OK I mean the response of the police in a broader sense of the word. The fact that the police had a team monitoring him was clearly the correct thing to do, and shows the police are getting better at identifying the threats and being ready to neutralise them.

[xoggoth]

I hope the government proposals on this are not blocked by courts. People should have an opportunity to reform when possible but public safety should come first.

We also need to avoid events that drive resentment against specific groups. Of course we should not blame an entire group for what a few do but that's human nature, better to work with it than ignore it. Locking up people like this for as long as necessary is a favour to Muslims in general.

[Hobosapien]

Sounds like the rozzers are getting a handle on the this type of local terrorism - all credit to them.

There was a team of them following him!

So really their response was a bit slow as he managed to knife several over about a 50 metre distance. If someone was following him surely they should have been ready to intervene with lethal force instead of waiting for the armed backup.

I suppose they were hoping he would take them to some terrorist cell or others he was on that path with, to warrant this type of close monitoring.

You don't see many JW's doing this - the worst they'll do is force a copy of WatchTower on you!!

Yes some religions are worse than others. If only god cleared all this up once and for all, they all accept there is only one god right. Mugs believe god is working for the good side. Good if you support evil.

[LondonManc]

He might think he's at war but that doesn't mean he's not mentally ill, or that we should treat him as a soldier and buy into the delusion. He might not think there is such a thing as rehabilitation but again, that doesn't mean he is right.

His state of mind? All over Streatham Road. HTHBIDI

Religious mania is surely a recognised condition separate to simple religious fervour; the lines are probably blurred but someone who thinks running amok stabbing strangers is not in a grey area.

You don't see many JW's doing this - the worst they'll do is force a copy of WatchTower on you!!

[GJABS]

According to the Torygraph, he was shot within 8 seconds of stabbing his first victim.

Now that's Rapid Response

Sounds like the rozzers are getting a handle on the this type of local terrorism - all credit to them.

[d000hg]

It's not a disease.

If the guy is genuinely a terrorist in his eyes he is at war with the UK and so there is no such thing as 'rehabilitation' he will fight for what he thinks is right every opportunity he gets.

Either they need to be deported or locked up as a POW - until the end of the war - which it seems will not end so.....

He might think he's at war but that doesn't mean he's not mentally ill, or that we should treat him as a soldier and buy into the delusion. He might not think there is such a thing as rehabilitation but again, that doesn't mean he is right.

Aside from banning religion?
Or do you mean a few bullets?
Or being disappeared, i.e. they've absconded and tried to flee the country, unfortunately dying in a cold North Sea while trying to escape to France?

Religious mania is surely a recognised condition separate to simple religious fervour; the lines are probably blurred but someone who thinks running amok stabbing strangers is not in a grey area.

[DoctorStrangelove]

Either they need to be deported or locked up as a POW - until the end of the war - which it seems will not end so.....

Said war having been in progress, on & off, for over a millennium now.

It has the prospect of Not Ending Well anytime soon.

Battle of Tours. AD732.

Siege of Vienna. AD1529.

Happily for the rest of Europe not as efficient as Genghis Khan.

[Hobosapien]

Nah, save the climate with fewer flights. Halal the b*******. Works for them.

Seems as effective as any current deradicalising efforts.

[Zigenare]

Aside from banning religion?
Or do you mean a few bullets?
Or being disappeared, i.e. they've absconded and tried to flee the country, unfortunately dying in a cold North Sea while trying to escape to France?

Mind you, it's a long way to swim to France from the mid-Atlantic, assuming they survive the drop from 28000ft.

[LondonManc]

If it is a disease then surely there must be some level of treatment possible, or at least a diagnosis that can be used to require lifetime care/monitoring/whatever for medical grounds? I don't know if "criminally insane" is still PC but basically that.

Aside from banning religion?
Or do you mean a few bullets?
Or being disappeared, i.e. they've absconded and tried to flee the country, unfortunately dying in a cold North Sea while trying to escape to France?

[original PM]

If it is a disease then surely there must be some level of treatment possible, or at least a diagnosis that can be used to require lifetime care/monitoring/whatever for medical grounds? I don't know if "criminally insane" is still PC but basically that.

It's not a disease.

If the guy is genuinely a terrorist in his eyes he is at war with the UK and so there is no such thing as 'rehabilitation' he will fight for what he thinks is right every opportunity he gets.

Either they need to be deported or locked up as a POW - until the end of the war - which it seems will not end so.....

[Hobosapien]

If it is a disease then surely there must be some level of treatment possible, or at least a diagnosis that can be used to require lifetime care/monitoring/whatever for medical grounds? I don't know if "criminally insane" is still PC but basically that.

Not sure if 'care in the community' is still a thing, but looks to be. Allows the ill to be released as they either don't have the resource (facilities, appropriately trained staff) to do the job of 'fixing them' properly or determining if they should in fact remain locked up as a danger to the public, as this guy was, or an actual way of curing them totally so it's 'ah well, let's see what happens', as happened with this guy.

Fortunately the nutters seem to love London, must be drawn to all those other stabby ***** there, so stay away from London and get on with living in a safer environment. Works for me.

[sal]

Because he had a suicide vest (fake as it turned out later)

That makes no sense, if they new about the vest this should have only expedited the arrest. I understand how buying a kitchen knife could be taken as non-terrorist related activity and the surveillance team let it slip, but wearing a suicide vest face or not should have triggered the arrest automatically.

The whole story is deeply worrying. If a convicted terrorist with active surveillance on him is able to do this, what hope is there to catch other terrorists before the act?

Seriously this time the Police can't bang about lack of resources etc. it was a monumental failure on their part to allow this to happen.