Reply to: If Corbyn wins

[LondonManc]

If a person can legally have sex, get married, have kids, start work, join the armed forces, etc below the age of 18, we're clearly assuming they're responsible young adults. So why do we deny them the chance to have a say in how their country is run? You can't have it both ways really.

Bring it all up to 18, or at least have proper apprenticeships like the old YTS for those that want to end their education at 16 and are more suited to manual/dextrous jobs like mechanics and plumbers. Standardise everything at 18, including the driving licence - also, you can have sex at 16 but not watch someone else have it until you're 18. Another anomaly. Apparently that ISIS bride wasn't old enough to know what she was doing at 16 according to Korbyn, while also wanting to give 16-year-olds the vote. Needs to make his mind up really.

This does seems perfectly reasonable until you realise that they want to introduce mandatory photo id. Nothing wrong with that, of course, it's a great check; but what isn't said is that several million of the poorest citizens - none of whom are probably ever likely to vote Conservative - have no photo id and can't afford to get one (3.5m have no photo ID at all and 11m don't have a passport or driving licence). So unless a very cheap or free form of acceptable id is introduced, and I don't see any mention of that in the manifesto, this is effectively vote rigging by the back door. Alternatively, it could be a way of forcing through a national ID card system ("of course we want everyone to vote, therefore everyone should have an ID card"), which the UK public have previously made clear they certainly don't want.

I see nothing wrong with a national ID card - not sure why people wouldn't want one. You have a national insurance number once you're sixteen, so why not make it an extension of that? Not sure what rights it infringes, other than those of the dodgy.

[Whorty]

You could say just the same about Corbynites and left wingers.

As Machiavelli pointed out, rightly, in so many words, most people believe what they want to be true and they rarely give opposing viewpoints any consideration.

Yep, completely agree. Corbynites are just as delusional and easily led as the gammons are. 2 sides of the same coin.

[sasguru]

You could say just the same about Corbynites and left wingers.

As Machiavelli pointed out, rightly, in so many words, most people believe what they want to be true and they rarely give opposing viewpoints any consideration.

Dunno. I was against Brexit as I thought it would be bad for the country.
I tried hard to see the other point of view, but 3 years later not a single Brexiter on here or anywhere else has given me a logical reason on how it's going to help the country or themselves.
So I adjusted to the stupidity and have made it so Brexit benefits me - screw the country if it's that stupid.

[OwlHoot]

Panic not. Just think Diane abbott will be home secretary.

I don't know if it's a doctored picture, may well be sneaky Russkie disinformation to discredit Labour, but the Daily Mail has a picture of the Abbottopotamus wearing two different left shoes!



Article here

[OwlHoot]

To say the gammons on here are gullible is an understatement It's on LInkedIn and it matches my own biased view so it must be correct

Hilarious

You could say just the same about Corbynites and left wingers.

As Machiavelli pointed out, rightly, in so many words, most people believe what they want to be true and they rarely give opposing viewpoints any consideration.

[Snooky]

How dare they want to maintain 18 as the minimum age!

If a person can legally have sex, get married, have kids, start work, join the armed forces, etc below the age of 18, we're clearly assuming they're responsible young adults. So why do we deny them the chance to have a say in how their country is run? You can't have it both ways really.

How dare they want to introduce identification to vote to clamp down on election fraud

This does seems perfectly reasonable until you realise that they want to introduce mandatory photo id. Nothing wrong with that, of course, it's a great check; but what isn't said is that several million of the poorest citizens - none of whom are probably ever likely to vote Conservative - have no photo id and can't afford to get one (3.5m have no photo ID at all and 11m don't have a passport or driving licence). So unless a very cheap or free form of acceptable id is introduced, and I don't see any mention of that in the manifesto, this is effectively vote rigging by the back door. Alternatively, it could be a way of forcing through a national ID card system ("of course we want everyone to vote, therefore everyone should have an ID card"), which the UK public have previously made clear they certainly don't want.

[Old Greg]

Jesus wept...

They are saying that the BBC is biased in favour of Boris? What a load of horsefeathers. The rest of the article has apparently been written by a first year PPE student... a not very good one at that.

Putting in a strong finish there for COTY2019.

[ContractorOnAMotorbike]

Panic not. Just think Diane abbott will be home secretary.

At least she won't slash police numbers and then pretend police numbers dont make any difference to crime stats, and send out vans asking immigrants to go home.

[LondonManc]

You mean this bit on page 48?

Page 48 of the Tory Manifesto Will Lead the UK Into Tyranny

How dare they want to maintain 18 as the minimum age!
How dare they want to imrpove democratic process by making constituencies more equal in terms of numbers of voters.
How dare they want to introduce identification to vote to clamp down on election fraud.


That Ardagh fella comes across as a complete melt and is clearly in need of Play Doh and hugs.

[malvolio]

You say that like you're God's intellectual gift to mankind, whereas the reality is that you're a mediocre talentless gammon.

Yeah whatever. I bow to your greater wisdom. Or something...

[sasguru]

The rest of the article has apparently been written by a first year PPE student... a not very good one at that.

You say that like you're God's intellectual gift to mankind, whereas the reality is that you're a mediocre talentless gammon.

[DaveB]

Jesus wept...

They are saying that the BBC is biased in favour of Boris? What a load of horsefeathers. The rest of the article has apparently been written by a first year PPE student... a not very good one at that.

It's as informed and reliable as any of the other "sources" posted on this so far.

[malvolio]

You mean this bit on page 48?

Page 48 of the Tory Manifesto Will Lead the UK Into Tyranny

Jesus wept...

They are saying that the BBC is biased in favour of Boris? What a load of horsefeathers. The rest of the article has apparently been written by a first year PPE student... a not very good one at that.

[MasterBait]

Panic not. Just think Diane abbott will be home secretary.

I am panicking now
And McDonell Chancellor

I left the Soviet Union because of people like this.

[DaveB]

Could you post the extract from the manifesto that promises:



Cheers.

You mean this bit on page 48?

Page 48 of the Tory Manifesto Will Lead the UK Into Tyranny