Reply to: PC killed in Berkshire

[vetran]

Been reading the mail again?

nah the independent

No Sky TV, no Xbox: prisoners' perks to be axed as Chris Grayling gets tough on jails | The Independent

Thousands of prisoners could lose their automatic access to gym equipment, games consoles and other perks under plans for a tough new regime in Britain’s jails.Chris Grayling, the Justice Secretary, is finalising proposals that will be announced in the next couple of months to combat right-wing complaints that prisons are too lax.
Under the plans it will become harder for prisoners to earn the right to perks such as having games consoles in their cells. Ministers are also planning to increase the threshold of “good behaviour”, requiring prisoners to work or enrol in education courses in order to receive privileges.

Sky television will be banned in private prisons and discussions are under way into whether it is practical to make thousands of inmates wear prison uniform rather than their own clothes.

36,000 inmates play games consoles - Independent.ie

More than 36,000 inmates are allowed to play video games in prison, figures have shown.Junior justice minister Crispin Blunt said more than a third of prisoners in England and Wales were eligible to own games consoles under a good behaviour scheme.

But he stressed that no public money had been used to buy consoles or games for adult prisoners since 2008, with inmates and their families footing the bill.
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In 2008, an audit turned up 12,948 games consoles in prisons and young offender institutions, with £221,726 of taxpayers' money spent on PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo systems and software.
Last year it emerged that more than 4,000 prisoners had satellite television in their cells.

however the Prison service seem to suggest they paid for for them, its like MP's expenses


Update on Game Consoles in prisons - a Freedom of Information request to HM Prison Service - WhatDoTheyKnow

Annex A Games consoles questionnaire attachment J Simpson FOI 59128.doc

they seem to have an Xbox, not sure if its the latest model, they obviously don't pat test devices in prison or the Prison services are on a cover up..


don't believe old smeg he is nobrainer and makes tulip up!

[GJABS]

c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause;

Which is basically terrorism.
I was in the Old Bailey a few years ago when the killer of MP Jo Cox was sentenced (a whole life) on this basis.
It was interesting because the defendant refused to say anything to anyone during the entire trial, which gave a tricky task to the defence barrister who therefore had nothing to say to the jury.

[vwdan]

That's for what are considered the most extreme cases.

a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.

For killing a police officer while about his/her duties, it's 30 years. Sentencing - Mandatory life sentences in Murder cases | The Crown Prosecution Service

It looks like that's outdated, because this is the current legislation:

Criminal Justice and Courts Act 2015

Which removes it from the 30 year starting point:

Term of imprisonment for murder of police or prison officer
(1)Schedule 21 to the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (determination of minimum term in relation to mandatory life sentence) is amended as follows.
(2)In paragraph 4(2) (cases for which a whole life order is the appropriate starting point), after paragraph (b) insert—
“(ba)the murder of a police officer or prison officer in the course of his or her duty,”.
(3)In paragraph 5(2) (cases for which 30 years is the appropriate starting point), omit paragraph (a).
(4)The amendments made by this section apply only in relation to an offence committed on or after the day on which they come into force.

You can see the end result here:

Criminal Justice Act 2003

Which is basically what CPS have put on their website, but with the Police and Prison Officer bit moved

[NotAllThere]

I thought the legislation said the starting point was a whole of life order?

That's for what are considered the most extreme cases.

a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.

For killing a police officer while about his/her duties, it's 30 years. Sentencing - Mandatory life sentences in Murder cases | The Crown Prosecution Service

[vwdan]

Just checked. The starting point for the minimum time to serve in prison, for the murder of a police officer going about his duties, is 30 years. So if charged with murder and found guilty, 20+ years seems likely.

I thought the legislation said the starting point was a whole of life order?

[BrilloPad]

But but but... in fantasy world, they get a free Xbox and a Formula One road safety awareness course.

Been reading the mail again?

[Old Greg]

Just checked. The starting point for the minimum time to serve in prison, for the murder of a police officer going about his duties, is 30 years. So if charged with murder and found guilty, 20+ years seems likely.

But but but... in fantasy world, they get a free Xbox and a Formula One road safety awareness course.

[NotAllThere]

I would be already happy if they get anything like 20+ years in jail

Just checked. The starting point for the minimum time to serve in prison, for the murder of a police officer going about his duties, is 30 years. So if charged with murder and found guilty, 20+ years seems likely.

[Old Greg]

About to be divorced from her first husband. It was the second husband who killed her.

Had she remarried her first husband after divorcing her second?

[Mordac]

Does not compute

About to be divorced from her first husband. It was the second husband who killed her.

[Benny]

She wasn't married to him at the time I knew her, she was very much single, and about to be divorced.

Does not compute

[Mordac]

What was she actually convicted of?

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. The last lady I "entertained" before I met Mrs M was subsequently murdered by her husband (she wasn't married to him at the time I knew her, she was very much single, and about to be divorced).
The case made several front pages, so I'm not going to name names, but he was only found guilty of manslaughter and yet got a far heavier sentence than most murderers get.

[Benny]

I am not sure I was not at the trial, I doubt very much it was murder despite the fact she lured him over to her flat to pick up their son's things and then a bunch of them stabbed him. To be honest whether she got 2 years or 50 my cousin was not going to spring back to life so I have never asked much about what happened at the trial.

I do know though that the situation was obfuscated by her drug addiction so I am guessing she blamed that and agreed to attend some kind of program.

So if you want someone dealt with, make sure a druggie does the deed!

[MyUserName]

What was she actually convicted of?

I am not sure I was not at the trial, I doubt very much it was murder despite the fact she lured him over to her flat to pick up their son's things and then a bunch of them stabbed him. To be honest whether she got 2 years or 50 my cousin was not going to spring back to life so I have never asked much about what happened at the trial.

I do know though that the situation was obfuscated by her drug addiction so I am guessing she blamed that and agreed to attend some kind of program.

[NotAllThere]

My cousin was stabbed to death by his junkie ex girlfriend and a couple of her friends when he eventually won custody of their son and she got 2 years.

What was she actually convicted of?