Reply to: IT staff from India

[NotAllThere]

Yet more staff


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...igration-watch

The times cover the same story.

[GhostofTarbera]

Yet more staff


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...igration-watch

[CoolCat]

Not quite. Commonwealth citizens tend to have a vote in most things.

Commonwealth citizens get to vote in our elections, even if only here with temporary status like student visas.

Meanwhile Brits on the whole cannot vote in their countries when the situation is reversed.

[BlasterBates]

I do hope you have nothing to do with facts in your job!


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...todecember2017

I stand corrected but the principle is the same



i.e. as EU migration has decreased so non-EU migration has increased, so it is clear that the "decision" in 2016 is having and will have no effect on what it was all about.

[vetran]

It was the Labour party that encouraged Polish immigration over Asian immigration, it is now the Tories blocking Polish immigration and replacing it with immigration from other countries as recent statistics are demonstrating.

The Tories have successfully hit the bump in the carpet with a mallet, i.e. EU migration has dropped to 0 and a new one has popped up.

I do hope you have nothing to do with facts in your job!


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...todecember2017

Net migration has fallen following record levels in 2015 and early 2016, and has been broadly stable since. This is similar to the level recorded in year ending September 2014. Underlying this, immigration has remained broadly stable at around 630,000 and emigration has shown a gradual increase since 2015 and is currently around 350,000.

EU net migration continues to add to the UK population with around 100,000 more EU citizens coming to the UK than leaving. The estimated number of EU citizens coming to the UK “looking for work” continued to decrease over the last year and the number coming to the UK for a definite job has remained stable.

Since 2014, non-EU IPS estimates and Home Office data on long-term work visas show those coming to the UK to work have remained relatively stable, with increases for those on skilled work visas.

[BlasterBates]

The problem is that the political group most enthusiastic about immigration, the left also want those immigrants to be a state-dependent politically malleable voting bloc. That is, economically useless - hence the antipathy towards independent and productive immigrants such as Jews and Poles.

It was the Labour party that encouraged Polish immigration over Asian immigration, it is now the Tories blocking Polish immigration and replacing it with immigration from other countries as recent statistics are demonstrating.

The Tories have successfully hit the bump in the carpet with a mallet, i.e. EU migration has dropped to 0 and a new one has popped up.

[original PM]

Immigrants from the EU excluding Ireland can't vote in any elections worth anything so by letting them in the left don't actually help themselves.

Non-EU citizens can't vote until they get British citizenship many years down the line, and tend to come from more conservative backgrounds. They only vote for left wing parties due to the utterances of people like Farrage and B. Johnson in the media against them.

Or they vote for left wing parties because they literally buy the vote by giving them free stuff at the expense of the local indigenous population.

But you know that's just a different point of view.

[meridian]

Immigrants from the EU excluding Ireland can't vote in any elections worth anything so by letting them in the left don't actually help themselves.

Non-EU citizens can't vote until they get British citizenship many years down the line, and tend to come from more conservative backgrounds. They only vote for left wing parties due to the utterances of people like Farrage and B. Johnson in the media against them.

Not quite. Commonwealth citizens tend to have a vote in most things.

[SueEllen]

The problem is that the political group most enthusiastic about immigration, the left also want those immigrants to be a state-dependent politically malleable voting bloc. That is, economically useless - hence the antipathy towards independent and productive immigrants such as Jews and Poles.

Immigrants from the EU excluding Ireland can't vote in any elections worth anything so by letting them in the left don't actually help themselves.

Non-EU citizens can't vote until they get British citizenship many years down the line, and tend to come from more conservative backgrounds. They only vote for left wing parties due to the utterances of people like Farrage and B. Johnson in the media against them.

[BlasterBates]

Steve Bannon's dream team

I was wondering what those "Tommy" like comments from Boris were all about, but it does appear as if Bannon is pairing them up as a new nationalist movement, sort of a mixture of Nationalism and Socialism.

[vetran]

Immigrants in the UK have high education levels

...what we actually need to do is boot out the thick indigenous population.

Well Ass,NAT, Darmy & You are out!

getting there! not sure who we kick out next after the arrogant feckwits!

[TwoWolves]

The problem is that the political group most enthusiastic about immigration, the left also want those immigrants to be a state-dependent politically malleable voting bloc. That is, economically useless - hence the antipathy towards independent and productive immigrants such as Jews and Poles.

[xoggoth]

“Significant asset”. Difficult to define in any meaningful way, and will mean different things to different people.

True, everything is subjective, but we need to start somewhere. At least we all ought to be able to agree that those who have little prospect of continuous employment, have significant health problems or criminal records, who need social housing or who are not prepared to accept the core principles of our society, should in no way be allowed residence.

It beats me why some are called racist for requiring perfectly reasonable checks. Some time ago Farage was denounced as racist for asking for HIV checks on those from some African countries even though they account for 34% of those diagnosed and are far more costly to treat than others due to late diagnosis. Why should UK citizens have to pick up this cost?

And cost is only one effect of poor migration control. One thing that "liberals" people fail to grasp is that lax migration controls disproportionately affect minorities of the same ethnicity in two ways - 1) directly in that they themselves are likely to be the main victims - people make friends, "friends" and enemies in their own group and 2) Indirectly in that significant problems in any group inevitably raises prejudice against them all and affects the decent, useful people among them.

If we really want to reduce racism one of the the best things we can do is have stricter immigration controls.

[meridian]

These arguments are always so black and white, immigration good, immigration bad. Not all immigrants are the same! Some groups do well, some don't:



https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...market/may2018

"EU nationals" and "Non EU nationals" are very blanket terms as well, you will find big differences depending on country of origin and even where in that country they come from. "UK nationals" also includes many that migration has given us in the the last few decades, also with some very significant variations in net contribution.

Forget where people are from, what race/colour etc. Leaving aside the separate issue of asylum, we should focus on the main point -we should not be taking in anyone at all who is not a significant asset to our economy.

“Significant asset”. Difficult to define in any meaningful way, and will mean different things to different people.

And only to the economy? Will this mean more of declining visas for visiting museum curators?

https://www.museumsassociation.org/m...s-denied-visas

[xoggoth]

These arguments are always so black and white, immigration good, immigration bad. Not all immigrants are the same! Some groups do well, some don't:

The employment rate (the proportion of people aged from 16 to 64 years who were in work) was 81.9% for EU nationals, higher than that for UK nationals (75.6%) and higher than that for non-EU nationals (63.0%)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...market/may2018

"EU nationals" and "Non EU nationals" are very blanket terms as well, you will find big differences depending on country of origin and even where in that country they come from. "UK nationals" also includes many that migration has given us in the the last few decades, also with some very significant variations in net contribution.

Forget where people are from, what race/colour etc. Leaving aside the separate issue of asylum, we should focus on the main point -we should not be taking in anyone at all who is not a significant asset to our economy.