Reply to: Does one IR35-caught role predispose HMR&C to assume all roles are?

[OwlHoot]

And by rights they shouldn't be taking an interest. You are assessing the role and paying the correct tax. ...

But we are talking about HMRC here.

Exactly! They think like blackmailers, or Morton's Fork - "If they're readily paying up then they can be paying more!"

[Mordac]

How can you come to that conclusion when, by your own admittance, you know nothing about what is happening?

You are aware it nearly hit the private sector and there is a lot of working going in to fighting it?

Fair comment, I binned the public sector when the new rules came out, and I asked an innocent (or maybe only slightly innocent) question. You've made your point.

[northernladuk]

How can you come to that conclusion when, by your own admittance, you know nothing about what is happening?

You are aware it nearly hit the private sector and there is a lot of working going in to fighting it?

[Mordac]

Read the IR35 sections of the forums.
It's mentioned plenty in various posts
It's all over the contractor news
It's mentuoned endlessly on LinkedIn.
Speak to fellow contractors about what's happening in your profession.

I'm staggered you don't know more than this at this point.

I'm happy to plead guilty, but only on the basis that I now ignore the public sector as a potential revenue stream, because no bugger with an ounce of sense will go near it given the current climate, unless the rate is c.50% in one's favour. I take it I'm wrong on the brolly point, I'm only going by what I was told (and coming from an agency source, I should have assumed it was basically bollox).

[northernladuk]

So how wrong am I then?

Read the IR35 sections of the forums.
It's mentioned plenty in various posts
It's all over the contractor news
It's mentuoned endlessly on LinkedIn.
Speak to fellow contractors about what's happening in your profession.

I'm staggered you don't know more than this at this point.

[Mordac]

Wow...

So how wrong am I then?

[northernladuk]

Wow...

[Mordac]

That's a sarcastic/witty comment or something isn't it?

Genuinely not. That information came from an agency, but they did quote "HMRC Guidance bulltulip" which they interpreted as they were not allowed to make payments to a ltd in respect of a public sector contract.
I didn't have the patience to follow that up, the rate wasn't worth the bother, but if HMRC were distributing that crap to all agencies, I would've thought most would just fall in line, and it becomes the de-facto norm.

[northernladuk]

Aren't brollies mandatory for public sector contracts these days?

That's a sarcastic/witty comment or something isn't it?

[Mordac]

Are you going through a brolly for the inside role or continuing to operate through your ltd?

Aren't brollies mandatory for public sector contracts these days?

[northernladuk]

If you simply work a contract inside I'm not sure they'd know. You'd just be paying more tax. I cannot see how that would get their attention.

And by rights they shouldn't be taking an interest. You are assessing the role and paying the correct tax. That is how the system works. They should be applauding this not investigating it. I'd hope to god they'd take more interest in someone who's been on an outside gig their entire career than someone using the system exactly as it's supposed to be used.

But we are talking about HMRC here.

[Lance]

I think the key word is 'caught'.

If you are 'caught' by HMRC and found to be inside they'll check all your contracts.

If you simply work a contract inside I'm not sure they'd know. You'd just be paying more tax. I cannot see how that would get their attention.

[NotAllThere]

... bang-to-rights IR35-caught (because it is a public sector role),...

https://www.contractoruk.com/news/00...back_foot.html

[Cirrus]

There's never been any information from anywhere, including the likes of QDOS, about how the Revenue select IR35 cases. You'll see endless pontification, especially on here, but its all pure speculation.

[Pondlife]

Are you going through a brolly for the inside role or continuing to operate through your ltd?