Reply to: Rats to the Lifeboats Now Please…

[Old Greg]

There is little appetite for yet another GE amongst the electorate whom would rather neither party win.

'Whom' Rule 1: Don't use 'whom'.
'Whom' Rule 2: If you are determined to use 'whom', do so correctly.

[TwoWolves]

There is little appetite amongst the government to deliver anything, and right now it is collapsing because the politicians who brought the country into the mess it is in today are failing to deliver, failing to act and fleeing from responsibility.

Which is why they want the EU to run things. They are crap too but it's impossible to pin down who exactly is in charge and we have no say over them anyway. The perfect civil service.

[WTFH]

There is little appetite for yet another GE amongst the electorate whom would rather neither party win.

There is little appetite amongst the government to deliver anything, and right now it is collapsing because the politicians who brought the country into the mess it is in today are failing to deliver, failing to act and fleeing from responsibility.

[TwoWolves]

There is little appetite for yet another GE amongst the electorate whom would rather neither party win.

[darmstadt]

The memes are starting...

[meridian]

hey they can't organise a social occasion in a brewery but at least they won't take over the brewery and refuse to serve beer like Corbyn would.


Maybe I missed the bit where we were negotiating with reasonable people not an organisation that wants to punish us for leaving?

Why do you need to negotiate? Just leave. The EU can’t punish you for leaving, just leave and stand on your own two feet.

It’s what you voted for.

[Old Greg]

hmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7848221.html





obviously a bit of nutter.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/brex...-minister.html




another space cadet..

You forgot to post that he was in AfD before splitting. Commentary by a eurosceptic doesn't back up your claim.

[WTFH]

Maybe I missed the bit where we were negotiating with reasonable people not an organisation that wants to punish us for leaving?

Awe didums. Jumping straight on the "blame EU" bandwagon again.

How can they negotiate if our negotiators never want to turn up to negotiate?
4 hours from Davis in the last year.

Is Davis a Labour person? Is he working for the EU, hell bent on punishing the UK?

[NickFitz]

hmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7848221.html





obviously a bit of nutter.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/brex...-minister.html




another space cadet..

Somebody "has an impression", somebody else is naming no names… pretty convincing case you've made there

[vwdan]

hmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7848221.html





obviously a bit of nutter.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/brex...-minister.html




another space cadet..

So what if they are. Why is it the EU's fault? Shag your secretary and divorce your (hypothetical if required) wife. See how well it goes. Is it your "wifes" fault?

Fact is, the EU owe us very little. They can't punish us beyond simply not doing an amazing and favourable deal with us. They aren't bringing it punitive measures even if they want to - they simply aren't making special exemptions for us yet.

[vetran]

The EU has no desire to "punish us for leaving". They don't see why they should subsidise us leaving, or abandon their fundamental principles so we can escape the consequences of doing so, but neither of those are punishment.

Most countries would realise that doing something that results in irreparable damage to themselves is stupid, but those promoting our exit from the EU are either not blessed with that insight or, more likely, stand to gain from it personally and have made sure they themselves won't lose out.

hmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7848221.html

Hans-Olaf Henkel accused Michel Barnier, the chief negotiator, of planning to impose a bad exit agreement on Britain as a warning to other countries tempted to leave the EU.

Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's Brexit negotiator, was also guilty of wanting “to make a mess out of this whole unhappy situation”.


“I have the impression, by their public statements, that indeed they would like to set an example,” said Mr Henkel, the deputy head of the European Parliament's industry, research and energy committee.”

“They want to punish Britain and make sure that non-one else is leaving the European Union.

“By the very fact that they say that a country which leaves the European Union should not have the same deal as a country which is in the European Union you can demonstrate what they mean.”

Mr Henkel, the president of the Federation of German Industries and a former chief executive of IBM, urged other MEPs – who enjoy a potential veto of any Brexit deal – “not to listen” to their own negotiators.

obviously a bit of nutter.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/brex...-minister.html

Many in Europe are looking to "punish" the U.K. for voting to leave the European Union, the finance minister of Luxembourg told CNBC on Wednesday.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, Pierre Gramegna said that those with such an agenda would never admit to it.

"There are many people out there who are trying to punish the United Kingdom without saying it — if you ask them they will deny it," he said. "Let's try to be more positive, let's try to de-dramatize the whole negotiation."

European negotiators are waiting for clear instructions from their capitals to take to the second phase of the Brexit process, which is expected to begin Monday following a ministerial meeting in Brussels.

‘Europe is back,’ Luxembourg’s finance minister says ‘Europe is back,’ Luxembourg’s finance minister says
8:10 AM ET Wed, 24 Jan 2018 | 03:04
The second phase will focus on future trade links and a transitional period. One of the main issues will be the future of the City of London and whether U.K. firms will keep their passport rights or will need extra licenses to serve EU-based customers.

Gramegna called for European negotiators to avoid punishing London and its financial services for Brexit.

"Weakening London as a financial center to make sure it will not be the first financial center in the world anymore is weakening Europe," Gramegna said.

"Let's not have London drift into the Atlantic, let's make sure we have a working relationship with London."

another space cadet..

[Old Greg]

Ah, yeah - it's the EU's fault isn't it. Incredible.

Particularly considering that the UK holds the cards. The EU isn't in a position to punish the UK.

[vwdan]

Maybe I missed the bit where we were negotiating with reasonable people not an organisation that wants to punish us for leaving?

Ah, yeah - it's the EU's fault isn't it. Incredible.

[Old Greg]

hey they can't organise a social occasion in a brewery but at least they won't take over the brewery and refuse to serve beer like Corbyn would.


Maybe I missed the bit where we were negotiating with reasonable people not an organisation that wants to punish us for leaving?

Now, you sit down here, petal, and tell us in what way the negotiations have been punitive.

[NickFitz]

Maybe I missed the bit where we were negotiating with reasonable people not an organisation that wants to punish us for leaving?

The EU has no desire to "punish us for leaving". They don't see why they should subsidise us leaving, or abandon their fundamental principles so we can escape the consequences of doing so, but neither of those are punishment.

Most countries would realise that doing something that results in irreparable damage to themselves is stupid, but those promoting our exit from the EU are either not blessed with that insight or, more likely, stand to gain from it personally and have made sure they themselves won't lose out.