Reply to: Bremoaners - the sooner they are culled the better

[Mordac]

Democracy did not end the day after the referendum.
Disagreeing with you is democracy in action.

That's the democracy argument. Back to real matters. The economy.

Yesturday, 50 UK Tech titans took a visit to Paris to talk to the French Prime Minister
about maybe moving to France due to Brexit.

Companies sending their highest-level representatives include:
TransferWise, Mixcloud, Eventbrite, WAYN.com, notonthehighstreet, Monzo, Blaise, Belville, Boiler Room.

The companies, in total are valued at over £5bn, and have over 75 million customers.

This set of companies is vital to the UK and is growing over twice as fast as the wider British economy.
It currently employs 1.6 million people.

People can debate all they want and complain about deals and the EU. The reality is that companies, people, money and influence are starting to drift off.

Have they seen the tax rates in France? Luxembourg is the place to be, surely? The whole point about tech companies is it doesn't matter where they are physically based. And best of luck replacing 1.6 million employees with some unemployed Frenchies "just like that". Still, it's a nice gesture to the EU, giving the impression they are thinking of leaving the UK.

[NigelJK]

They'll be doing a Junkers a la Google, ebay, amazon etc etc.

[original PM]

Lyon - less than 2 hours from Paris by train. Less than 2 hours from Marseille by train.

How many people are all these companies looking to employ in one place?
Are they wanting to limit where they can easily trade, are they unsure about the future?

Indeed - a peak time return from Paris to Lyon is only going to set you back 100 euro's - perfectly feasible that.

And apparently they are looking for 1.6 Million - as that is how many they employ in the UK.

Maybe yes they are just looking to open a small office in Europe just in case....

[WTFH]

And they will just magically find people to staff their companies with all the correct skills in Paris then? Or maybe not Paris as I imagine the rent will be too high......

So somewhere else in France then?

really???

So lets say you set up in Lyon with it's staggering 500,000 population and no other major cities within 200 kilometres.

Or you set up in Manchester with it's population of 1.9 million and liverpool with a population of 900k just 40 miles away.

.....

It's one thing thinking it is a good idea to relocate - it is another actually doing it.

Lyon - less than 2 hours from Paris by train. Less than 2 hours from Marseille by train.

How many people are all these companies looking to employ in one place?
Are they wanting to limit where they can easily trade, are they unsure about the future?

[original PM]

Democracy did not end the day after the referendum.
Disagreeing with you is democracy in action.

That's the democracy argument. Back to real matters. The economy.

Yesturday, 50 UK Tech titans took a visit to Paris to talk to the French Prime Minister
about maybe moving to France due to Brexit.

Companies sending their highest-level representatives include:
TransferWise, Mixcloud, Eventbrite, WAYN.com, notonthehighstreet, Monzo, Blaise, Belville, Boiler Room.

The companies, in total are valued at over £5bn, and have over 75 million customers.

This set of companies is vital to the UK and is growing over twice as fast as the wider British economy.
It currently employs 1.6 million people.

People can debate all they want and complain about deals and the EU. The reality is that companies, people, money and influence are starting to drift off.

And they will just magically find people to staff their companies with all the correct skills in Paris then? Or maybe not Paris as I imagine the rent will be too high......

So somewhere else in France then?

really???

So lets say you set up in Lyon with it's staggering 500,000 population and no other major cities within 200 kilometres.

Or you set up in Manchester with it's population of 1.9 million and liverpool with a population of 900k just 40 miles away.

.....

It's one thing thinking it is a good idea to relocate - it is another actually doing it.

[worzelGummidge]

Whining, unpleasant and moronic. Don't believe in democracy. Can't provide a single argument - just insults.

And that is just the CUK mods(apart from cojak) who has the good sense to keep quiet. The rest are even worse.

Hopefully they will soon be rounded up and sent for extermination.

Democracy did not end the day after the referendum.
Disagreeing with you is democracy in action.

That's the democracy argument. Back to real matters. The economy.

Yesturday, 50 UK Tech titans took a visit to Paris to talk to the French Prime Minister
about maybe moving to France due to Brexit.

Companies sending their highest-level representatives include:
TransferWise, Mixcloud, Eventbrite, WAYN.com, notonthehighstreet, Monzo, Blaise, Belville, Boiler Room.

The companies, in total are valued at over £5bn, and have over 75 million customers.

This set of companies is vital to the UK and is growing over twice as fast as the wider British economy.
It currently employs 1.6 million people.

People can debate all they want and complain about deals and the EU. The reality is that companies, people, money and influence are starting to drift off.

[northernladyuk]

Completely meaningless. In UK elections we choose between parties which make their cases to, and will act for, the entire population. We know what the intentions of the parties are, we know their record, who the PM will be and generally who the main ministers will be.

When we vote for MEPs, they are greatly outnumbered by those from other nations whose citizens voted in their own interests. We have no clue who they are or what views they espouse. It is not even as though they have most power among EU institutions.

If that is democracy, it is only in name.

If they did have most power, you'd be complaining that it's a superstate. The EU balances the power of member states with a democratically elected European Parliament, with the balance of power firmly with the former.

[xoggoth]

Exactly. Well, apart from the votes of our democratically elected MEPs.

Honestly, the way you carry on one would think you had no idea that we actually have elected representatives in Europe

Completely meaningless. In UK elections we choose between parties which make their cases to, and will act for, the entire population. We know what the intentions of the parties are, we know their record, who the PM will be and generally who the main ministers will be.

When we vote for MEPs, they are greatly outnumbered by those from other nations whose citizens voted in their own interests. We have no clue who they are or what views they espouse. It is not even as though they have most power among EU institutions.

If that is democracy, it is only token democracy.

[WTFH]

Indeed - I do not understand the EU's obsession with the UK - if we are that pointless and the EU is that great surely we need to just go and get out of their hair.

It's like that crazy girlfriend you used to have.

Only with less sex and more whining.

The EU isn’t obsessed with the UK.

After the UK voted to leave, the EU has been waiting for the UK to leave.

The EU is trying to move forward, and then TM the PM jumps in and says “we’re not going to leave in 2019, but maybe 2 years after that, or a bit longer”

As you rightly say, the EU has been left with this crazy ex-girlfriend who says it’s over but won’t move out of the house.

[original PM]

Indeed. I mean if this "Club" is so wonderful, why does it feel so strongly that anyone that wishes to Leave it needs to be punished?

Surely leaving would, in itself, be punishment enough?

Indeed - I do not understand the EU's obsession with the UK - if we are that pointless and the EU is that great surely we need to just go and get out of their hair.

It's like that crazy girlfriend you used to have.

Only with less sex and more whining.

[Lance]

Exactly. Well, apart from the votes of our democratically elected MEPs.

Honestly, the way you carry on one would think you had no idea that we actually have elected representatives in Europe.

Facts are not supportive of the UKIP rhetoric.
The veto that could be, and was, used by the democratically elected individual member state government doesn't support the rhetoric either.

[motoukenin]

Whining, unpleasant and moronic. Don't believe in democracy. Can't provide a single argument - just insults.

And that is just the CUK mods(apart from cojak) who has the good sense to keep quiet. The rest are even worse.

Hopefully they will soon be rounded up and sent for extermination.

Were not discussing this remember , anyways were not leaving 2 year transition followed by more total time wasting confusion from her majesty's will mean another transition and then people will be so fed up with it they will have forgotten it.

[meridian]

It was just as democratic as a gradual slide into a federal super state with no democratic votes for 40 years.

Exactly. Well, apart from the votes of our democratically elected MEPs.

Honestly, the way you carry on one would think you had no idea that we actually have elected representatives in Europe.

[shaunbhoy]

At least when the NHS is getting its extra £350million a week, there will be enough meds for the nurse to administer.

I think you are beyond Meds.

HTH

[northernladyuk]

At least when the NHS is getting its extra £350million a week, there will be enough meds for the nurse to administer.

But no nurse.