Reply to: So will we vilify these people for claiming?

[northernladyuk]

FTFY

He will find something else to whine about soon enough.

[vetran]

...says the persecuted soon to be EX subject of the EUSSR.

FTFY

[northernladyuk]

Being a victim gets you money and beats working.

Also many of these people have been bought up to believe they are 'disadvantaged' and 'victims of the ills of society' and so it's a role they fit into nicely.

...says the persecuted subject of the EUSSR.

[SueEllen]

It's part of the growing culture of victimhood.

It's not their fault that their home burnt down and killed most of their neighbours and family, and I suspect some prison sentences as the inquiry finds out what happened. All very sad.

It just seems that being a victim becomes a life-defining event for some people. Or is that just the way it gets reported?
I see it in other walks of life. "I'm a <insert a reason>, therefore you must all make special efforts for me.". Which is fine but I've seen people become nothing other than an extension of <whatever it was>, and cease to be themselves any longer. Which I suppose is also fine as a personal choice, but it's not for me. I want to be defined by what I do, who I am and where I want to go. Defined by me, not by events that happen to me.

/philosophy

The media needs victims to make a story.

Political activists need victims so they have a purpose.

Most of the normal people are just trying to get on with their lives - remember they have lost all their documents, personal belongings and have been dumped in different parts of London they don't know - while trying to find out why Kensington and Chelsea, who are ultimately their landlords, could get away with treating them like tulip leading to their own injury - smoke inhalation can have long term effects -, and their trauma plus death of family, neighbours and friends.

The press and political activists would use the trauma of the personnel of the emergency services if there was something to gain like with 9/11 in the US. However as the emergency services are suppose to have access to counselling services and we have an NHS there isn't.

[bobspud]

No - no it wasn't - really we are in the 21st century - do we really still think it is acceptable to scrabble through the charred remains of our neighbours in the hope of finding something new and shiny?

No it is not and this is why it should be cracked down on - it's is uncivilised and it is barbaric and has absolutely no place in 21st century Britain.

My initial comment was aimed at the inventing an additional Gran or two to die in the fire for compensation rather than sifting the wreckage for bling... But actually in another few months people will be doing the sifting thing and calling it salvage work so really its all just semantics...

[SueEllen]

Being a victim gets you money and beats working.

Also many of these people have been bought up to believe they are 'disadvantaged' and 'victims of the ills of society' and so it's a role they fit into nicely.

So first of all they weren't English sorry British enough.

Now they are apparently moaning and playing the victims.

Make up your minds.

[original PM]

It was far too tempting not to do something like this. No different to any other white-collar crime.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that someone had to rake around looking for a phantom corpse or dozen in that helming hole.

No - no it wasn't - really we are in the 21st century - do we really still think it is acceptable to scrabble through the charred remains of our neighbours in the hope of finding something new and shiny?

No it is not and this is why it should be cracked down on - it's is uncivilised and it is barbaric and has absolutely no place in 21st century Britain.

[original PM]

It's part of the growing culture of victimhood.

It's not their fault that their home burnt down and killed most of their neighbours and family, and I suspect some prison sentences as the inquiry finds out what happened. All very sad.

It just seems that being a victim becomes a life-defining event for some people. Or is that just the way it gets reported?
I see it in other walks of life. "I'm a <insert a reason>, therefore you must all make special efforts for me.". Which is fine but I've seen people become nothing other than an extension of <whatever it was>, and cease to be themselves any longer. Which I suppose is also fine as a personal choice, but it's not for me. I want to be defined by what I do, who I am and where I want to go. Defined by me, not by events that happen to me.

/philosophy

Being a victim gets you money and beats working.

Also many of these people have been bought up to believe they are 'disadvantaged' and 'victims of the ills of society' and so it's a role they fit into nicely.

[Lance]

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

It's part of the growing culture of victimhood.

It's not their fault that their home burnt down and killed most of their neighbours and family, and I suspect some prison sentences as the inquiry finds out what happened. All very sad.

It just seems that being a victim becomes a life-defining event for some people. Or is that just the way it gets reported?
I see it in other walks of life. "I'm a <insert a reason>, therefore you must all make special efforts for me.". Which is fine but I've seen people become nothing other than an extension of <whatever it was>, and cease to be themselves any longer. Which I suppose is also fine as a personal choice, but it's not for me. I want to be defined by what I do, who I am and where I want to go. Defined by me, not by events that happen to me.

/philosophy

[bobspud]

It was far too tempting not to do something like this. No different to any other white-collar crime.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that someone had to rake around looking for a phantom corpse or dozen in that helming hole.

[SueEllen]

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

Some of the thieves are expected to people involved in the clean up. One flat allegedly had stuff missing. All the items except the money were found in the storage facilities that they are using.

In regards to "the communities needing to look at themselves " - one of the complaints before they put security in place was people coming onto the grounds and taking selfies. They never stated where these people came from but as I know lots of people in the SE have passed the tower on their travels than the people could be absolutely anyone.

[WTFH]

So will we vilify these people for claiming?

You need to blame the individuals responsible. Think of them the same away you think of white people who kill others, and not the way you think of Muslims who do the same.

[northernladyuk]

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

Collective guilt for communities? You charmer.

[Whorty]

Grenfell death toll may fall as &#39;fraudsters have invented missing loved ones&#39;

For trying to make money out of other people's grief?

Or just blame the Tories?

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

[DimPrawn]

Or just blame the Tories?

^ This

Rich people cause all suffering, 'innit?