Reply to: Britain and the EU

[meridian]

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...5#.WWXJKJ_TXqA

The entire article is a straw man based on the false premise that the EU is pro-immigration. It is not.

The EU is pro-freedom of movement of labour within its borders.

[woohoo]

You really need to engage with people's points and if you don't agree with them say why. BEcause calling people posts crap without saying why just makes you look like the thick imbecile you are.

HTH! BIKIW

Oh the irony!

[WTFH]

Trains that run on time. Mussolini?

[QI Klaxon]
Mussolini got 1 train to run on time once. That was all.
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[BrilloPad]

Your mind is still in the days of the British Empire.
You mean, Mickey Mouse countries with faster Internet that the UK, trains that run on time,
Higher standard of education etc etc

Trains that run on time. Mussolini?

With the pound fallen from 1.48 euro at the start of the Euro to 1.12 today that would have been the best.

If UK had joined the Euro it would have been stuffed.

I can think

I lost you at that point cretin.

[sasguru]

Well SAS, It is easy to grow a country at 2-3% per annum with cheap labour and large amounts of external investment when you are starting from a low base. This is just simple economics.

Romania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, if you place them in a free trade zone under a military umbrella and democracy of course you will see growth. It would be hard not to.

Agreed.
Conversely it's easy to destroy a country by stopping its access to external talent and making it an unattractive place to invest (since it has become a much smaller market).

Regarding working in the EU the problem in the future for my kids will be exactly the same as the problem I face today. Lots of jobs all over the EU - outside of the usual Swiss, Belgium, German big employers almost all want local language speakers. 20 years of growth in Poland won't change that.

I suspect multi-national players around the world will all use English as their main language in 20 years time. That is one aspect of the UK's legacy that will persist. And also it' a poor argument to say you don't speak the lingo - that simply requires a little effort.

[Bluenose]

Well SAS, It is easy to grow a country at 2-3% per annum with cheap labour and large amounts of external investment when you are starting from a low base. This is just simple economics.

Romania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, if you place them in a free trade zone under a military umbrella and democracy of course you will see growth. It would be hard not to.

Regarding working in the EU the problem in the future for my kids will be exactly the same as the problem I face today. Lots of jobs all over the EU - outside of the usual Swiss, Belgium, German big employers almost all want local language speakers. 20 years of growth in Poland won't change that.

Edit: world bank says we still 2nd largest economy in EU bloc. Where are you getting your info from ?

http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf

[milanbenes]

My measurements are generalistic, they (mostly ex-soviet states) for all of their so called superior education, they don't generate much money, they don't have a decent military to protect themselves, they don't invent much, they don't create much. A bit like Spain but without the fun factor and with less hot sun.

Sadly, my one regret is when we do leave the EU I might have to start washing my own car.

If the items you list are your top yardsticks of measurement then surely South Korea is the best place on the planet to live. Having being unfortunate enough to be sent there on work assignment twice I can clearly say it certainly is not. For reasons too long to list here.

Furthermore if these 'developing' countries are such a marvellous utopia of efficiency we would not have this mess to be cleaning up because quite simply, if we were useless nobody would want to come here. The numbers speak for themselves.

The 2nd largest economy in the bloc will be leaving the EU but as usual, it's tough being at the top so carry on sniping and posting negativity. If you are at the top it is to be expected and it goes with the terroritory.

Whatever happens next, in true British style, it will not be boring.

oh dear

actually this is good, because if the riff raff really knew the truth about CEE they'd go there and ruin it like that have Spain

I mean look at _r_a_i_ as a holiday destination, thankfully even though slEazy jet fly into _p_i_ and from there they have very easy access to all of their islands, with the warmest clearest water and most unspoilt natural beaches in Europe, the riff raff don't know about it and don't go there. I was on _v_r island a couple of years ago, and in the main harbour the only English accents which could be heard suggested all the Brits there came from Eton.

to wrap up, Bluenose, you are right, and do us all a favour and keep holidaying in Benidorm...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...7579384923.jpg

and enjoy those unspoilt beaches and clean water

Milan.

[sasguru]

My measurements are generalistic, they (mostly ex-soviet states) for all of their so called superior education, they don't generate much money, they don't have a decent military to protect themselves, they don't invent much, they don't create much. A bit like Spain but without the fun factor and with less hot sun.

Sadly, my one regret is when we do leave the EU I might have to start washing my own car.

If the items you list are your top yardsticks of measurement then surely South Korea is the best place on the planet to live. Having being unfortunate enough to be sent there on work assignment twice I can clearly say it certainly is not. For reasons too long to list here.

Furthermore if these 'developing' countries are such a marvellous utopia of efficiency we would not have this mess to be cleaning up because quite simply, if we were useless nobody would want to come here. The numbers speak for themselves.


The 2nd largest economy in the bloc will be leaving the EU but as usual, it's tough being at the top so carry on sniping and posting negativity. If you are at the top it is to be expected and it goes with the terroritory.

Whatever happens next, in true British style, it will not be boring.

The trajectory of a country is arguably more important than it's current state. Poland has been growing at > 3% a year for nearly a decade.
If it keeps that up, your children/grandchildren will be seeking work there.
As for not inventing much - off the top of my head I can think of Polish notation in logic/maths/programming and the fact that the Poles made the initial breakthrough (if I remember correctly) in cracking Enigma.
So Paddy is entirely correct to call you an ignorant sod.

Oh and also we're now the 3rd largest economy

[Paddy]

My measurements are generalistic, they (mostly ex-soviet states) for all of their so called superior education, they don't generate much money, they don't have a decent military to protect themselves, they don't invent much, they don't create much. A bit like Spain but without the fun factor and with less hot sun.

Sadly, my one regret is when we do leave the EU I might have to start washing my own car.

If the items you list are your top yardsticks of measurement then surely South Korea is the best place on the planet to live. Having being unfortunate enough to be sent there on work assignment twice I can clearly say it certainly is not. For reasons too long to list here.

Furthermore if these 'developing' countries are such a marvellous utopia of efficiency we would not have this mess to be cleaning up because quite simply, if we were useless nobody would want to come here. The numbers speak for themselves.

The 2nd largest economy in the bloc will be leaving the EU but as usual, it's tough being at the top so carry on sniping and posting negativity. If you are at the top it is to be expected and it goes with the terroritory.

Whatever happens next, in true British style, it will not be boring.

They are NOT “mostly ex-soviet states”, please go and read some history and geography and get some facts rather than reading the DM. The rest of your post is complete racist garbage.

[Bluenose]

Your mind is still in the days of the British Empire.
You mean, Mickey Mouse countries with faster Internet that the UK, trains that run on time,
Higher standard of education etc etc

My measurements are generalistic, they (mostly ex-soviet states) for all of their so called superior education, they don't generate much money, they don't have a decent military to protect themselves, they don't invent much, they don't create much. A bit like Spain but without the fun factor and with less hot sun.

Sadly, my one regret is when we do leave the EU I might have to start washing my own car.

If the items you list are your top yardsticks of measurement then surely South Korea is the best place on the planet to live. Having being unfortunate enough to be sent there on work assignment twice I can clearly say it certainly is not. For reasons too long to list here.

Furthermore if these 'developing' countries are such a marvellous utopia of efficiency we would not have this mess to be cleaning up because quite simply, if we were useless nobody would want to come here. The numbers speak for themselves.

The 2nd largest economy in the bloc will be leaving the EU but as usual, it's tough being at the top so carry on sniping and posting negativity. If you are at the top it is to be expected and it goes with the terroritory.

Whatever happens next, in true British style, it will not be boring.

[Eirikur]

You might think agreeing with AtW and ScooterScot would give him a clue. Both wanted the UK in the EURO....

With the pound fallen from 1.48 euro at the start of the Euro to 1.12 today that would have been the best.

[Paddy]

Hah well, in the O.P, the most critical date, possibly the most important date with the exception of joining the EU was missed.

In the spirit of things I will have a go and fix this omission.

*clears throat*

2004 - The U.K and the EU politicians make a fatal error of judgement by letting a bunch of mickey mouse (sorry, 'still developing') countries join the EU's free labour of movement policy.

Your mind is still in the days of the British Empire.
You mean, Mickey Mouse countries with faster Internet that the UK, trains that run on time,
Higher standard of education etc etc

[original PM]

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...5#.WWXJKJ_TXqA

[milanbenes]

*clears throat*

2004 - The U.K and the EU politicians make a fatal error of judgement by letting a bunch of mickey mouse (sorry, 'still developing') countries join the EU's free labour of movement policy.

that's not historically correct, because at the time, Germany, Austria, France, etc imposed a 5 year ban on people from the accession countries joining their labour markets.

Britain, on the other hand, invited the workers from CEE with open arms

That is the difference, Britains fault, not the EU's - like so many of the hollow Brexiter arguments

In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately.


One can only conclude, this was what big business wanted.


Stick that in your Brexit pipe and smoke it

Milan.

[Mordac]

No only the UK allowed the freedom of movement from Eastern European countries.

Even that important event seems to be now misunderstood, but lets face it the whole Brexit argument is based on a pack of lies.

On the basis that nothing you have said up to this point indicates that this decision could ever have been reversed, (and to be fair to you, I don't believe it actually could have been reversed) once the war criminal had done his bit, there was no going back. So, not so much a pack of lies, more a realistic assessment of the utter sh.ite that Bliar (mainly but not exclusively) happily dug for us.