Reply to: Syria - bit quick off the mark?

[scooterscot]

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[SueEllen]

Maybe Trump really was just trying to deter chemical attacks and not planning any long term involvement. If so, he did not think about the way it would be seen and the far reaching consequences.

We are now seeing a total reversal of sensible attempts to build a better accord with Russia, with F* idiots like Boris Johnson calling for Russian forces to leave Syria, opening the door to civil war as I said above.

Boris Johnson to spearhead diplomatic drive to get Russian forces out of Syria

[But]What was May thinking of appointing that buffoon as foreign secretary?[/b] Oh well, at least he didn't get to be PM.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[tarbera]

The us are still winning the civilian killing competition by a long way

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7663881.html

See any British politician in the news raving about it - I thought not

[vetran]

No sound bites from Tusk & JCJ? Where is the EU when you need them to keep the peace?

[xoggoth]

Maybe Trump really was just trying to deter chemical attacks and not planning any long term involvement. If so, he did not think about the way it would be seen and the far reaching consequences.

We are now seeing a total reversal of sensible attempts to build a better accord with Russia, with F* idiots like Boris Johnson calling for Russian forces to leave Syria, opening the door to civil war as I said above.

Boris Johnson to spearhead diplomatic drive to get Russian forces out of Syria

What was May thinking of appointing that buffoon as foreign secretary? Oh well, at least he didn't get to be PM.

[scooterscot]

[xoggoth]

In regards to Syria due to the factions involved we should leave well alone. If we bomb one side then we strengthen the other and both are terrible towards Syrian citizens.

Absolutely. There are numerous groups fighting Assad and most are not fighting for Western style democracy and equality. The Assad regime, given that he is nothing like as bad as SH, might well be the best option for the people. If he is pushed out the chances of any stable government are very slim, a greater likelihood is a continuous civil war, probably worse than Iraq. Europe won't just see migrants fleeing the current war areas but many areas of the country.

We had the best of both worlds last week, not being involved and avoiding being blamed for everything as with Iraq. Hopefully Trump's action really was a one off to deter a supposed use of chemical weapons and not part of a plan to remove Assad.

Guide to the Syrian rebels - BBC News

[SueEllen]

I have no doubt whatsoever that we'd be perfectly fine if JC was in No.10 and we were ever threatened. He'd probably invite ISIS round for tea and cakes or something. (Mordy in full-on sarcasm mode, for the avoidance of doubt).
And I notice his "Stop the War" lot only ever protest at anything we* do, never at anything anyone else** does.

*definition of "we" being the UK, NATO and US for the purpose of this post.
** definition of "anyone else" being anyone who falls outside of the above criteria.

They can't protest about what others do because they know very little about it.

They could educate themselves by talking to people whose relations are in the countries or have escaped the countries concerned, but that would mean finding out and realising conflicts aren't straight forward.

In regards to Syria due to the factions involved we should leave well alone. If we bomb one side then we strengthen the other and both are terrible towards Syrian citizens.

[original PM]

Daily Mail AND Piers Morgan. Overdosing on grains of salt there.

Its like the holy trinity for the numerically challenged.

[meridian]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...omb-Assad.html

Daily Mail AND Piers Morgan. Overdosing on grains of salt there.

[original PM]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...omb-Assad.html

[original PM]

I have no doubt whatsoever that we'd be perfectly fine if JC was in No.10 and we were ever threatened. He'd probably invite ISIS round for tea and cakes or something. (Mordy in full-on sarcasm mode, for the avoidance of doubt).
And I notice his "Stop the War" lot only ever protest at anything we* do, never at anything anyone else** does.

*definition of "we" being the UK, NATO and US for the purpose of this post.
** definition of "anyone else" being anyone who falls outside of the above criteria.

Well of course the civilized west is always the war mongerer.

The uncivilized fuzzy wuzzies are paragons of virtue.....

[Mordac]

He's often right, it's just that he's either so impractical and idealist it doesn't help, or wrong on so many other issues that it doesn't help.

I think this (pacifism) is one of the areas JC is strongest personally.

I have no doubt whatsoever that we'd be perfectly fine if JC was in No.10 and we were ever threatened. He'd probably invite ISIS round for tea and cakes or something. (Mordy in full-on sarcasm mode, for the avoidance of doubt).
And I notice his "Stop the War" lot only ever protest at anything we* do, never at anything anyone else** does.

*definition of "we" being the UK, NATO and US for the purpose of this post.
** definition of "anyone else" being anyone who falls outside of the above criteria.

[oracleslave]

But why would Assad risk such predictable opprobium and retaliation when he's winning?!

You're asking me to explain the rationale of a murderous madman.

Here's one answer for you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/w...in-attack.html

[NotAllThere]

But why would Assad risk such predictable opprobium and retaliation when he's winning?!

Because he's done it before with impunity, and wants to terrorise his opponents and anyone near them.