Reply to: Martin McGuinness

[sasguru]

Oh Dear, has Minestrone been drinking again? His missus really should offer him help, being a GP.

[xoggoth]

B'liar just took the credit

One has to give him credit for being good at taking credit.

[vetran]

Mo Mowlam and John Hume deserve more credit for it than they ever received. Bill Clinton also deserves a mention, not because he was heavily involved, but he was able to charm both sides into action.

I had forgotten Clinton smooching in there, good point.

Herne, Hulme , Trimble & Paisley it was sort of in their interests.

and Mandleslime got caught with Jim the plumber & some dodgy passports so had to say his excuses & leave.

[WTFH]

Don't forget Major managed the first cease fire. & Mo Mowlam did most of the work for the second cease fire.

Don't forget George Mitchell as negotiator

And the other leaders that didn't have blood on their hands.

B'liar just took the credit.

Irish Peace Process — Important People

Mo Mowlam and John Hume deserve more credit for it than they ever received. Bill Clinton also deserves a mention, not because he was heavily involved, but he was able to charm both sides into action.

[vetran]

Don't forget Major managed the first cease fire. & Mo Mowlam did most of the work for the second cease fire.

Don't forget George Mitchell as negotiator

And the other leaders that didn't have blood on their hands.

B'liar just took the credit.

Irish Peace Process — Important People

[LondonManc]

The only people who can end any major conflict are the major players in it, they are the only ones with the influence to do so. Whatever they did, McGuiness and Adams deserve credit for bringing an ending to the troubles.

PS And the PM at the time, Blair, although I won't go as far as praising him.

Yeah, not really possible given his sanctioning of the illegal war in the Middle East.

[xoggoth]

The only people who can end any major conflict are the major players in it, they are the only ones with the influence to do so. Whatever they did, McGuiness and Adams deserve credit for bringing an ending to the troubles.

PS And the PM at the time, Blair, although I won't go as far as praising him.

[NotAllThere]

If you carry that line of reasoning on there will never be peace. You have to draw a line.

Not really. Just saying "well done for doing the right thing in the end" is fine, but beatification is a little too much. WWTFHS

[vetran]

If you carry that line of reasoning on there will never be peace. You have to draw a line.

its just the laying down with dogs part is unpleasant.

Imagine if we hadn't promoted all those terrorists come dictators in Africa & the middle east?

[minestrone]

Killing fewer people is a good thing. Not being Tony Blair is a good thing.
Lauding someone as a saint for killing fewer people is wrong.
Believing that a terrorist leader is solely responsible for the peace process in Ireland is also wrong.
It is the ones who were not practicing violence or advocating it, those are the people who should be praised for showing forgiveness and bringing the terrorists (from both sides) to the table so that a peace deal could be brokered.

Worked out alright for Mandela.

[BrilloPad]

McGuinness's actions later in life prevented further bloodshed. That's without a doubt. But any accolade for that must be tempered by the fact that his actions earlier in life caused considerable bloodshed. At best, it goes part way to paying his debt to society.

If you carry that line of reasoning on there will never be peace. You have to draw a line.

[WTFH]

That's a good thing, isn't it? An anti-Blair.

Killing fewer people is a good thing. Not being Tony Blair is a good thing.
Lauding someone as a saint for killing fewer people is wrong.
Believing that a terrorist leader is solely responsible for the peace process in Ireland is also wrong.
It is the ones who were not practicing violence or advocating it, those are the people who should be praised for showing forgiveness and bringing the terrorists (from both sides) to the table so that a peace deal could be brokered.

[northernladyuk]

Yes, he authorised the murder of fewer civilians when he was in office than before he went into office.

That's a good thing, isn't it? An anti-Blair.

[LondonManc]

she looks like she could do with more sleep

Milan.

Couldn't we all.

[WTFH]

Peace in our time Martin.

Yes, he authorised the murder of fewer civilians when he was in office than before he went into office.