Reply to: Joining a Club

[Bee]

I'm sure he feels himself well enough. He's had plenty of practice

Probably yes, probably not.
It's common that some parties of some countries blame EU for their fails instead of doing their own reforms to solve their problems.

[Bee]

I'm guessing that is a literal translation of "counting your chickens before they're hatched"

It's not a literal translation, we say "chicken's ass" on purpose, but yes means the same thing.

Thanks

[d000hg]

So, a snowflake wants to leave a club, but maintain many of the benefits of being in it, and is now blaming the club for them saying "no, you can't have those benefits any more".
Poor ickle snowflake.
You can't blame the club. Part of choosing to leave it is about accepting responsibility for your actions and the repercussions of those actions.

If leaving has "repercussions" that suggests they're using fear of said repercussions to stop you leaving. Losing membership benefits is one thing, going out of your way to make it difficult for the leaving member to send a message to anyone else who was wondering if membership is worth it is another.

I said months I ago I didn't think the EU would do that, hurt themselves just to hurt the UK more, because it's childish. At the moment I don't think they are punishing us but to say such a thing is not plausible is foolish. You can end a relationship respectfully or acrimoniously... it's in neither spouse's best interest to take the latter route in a divorce but it frequently happens.

[OwlHoot]

This is the same as counting with the egg in chicken's ass ...

I'm guessing that is a literal translation of "counting your chickens before they're hatched"

[vetran]

So you want to oppose legal cartel rather than join it?

No I would like you Bremainers to stop suggesting it has a physical value on its own.

You join a golf club to get access to the Golf Course not to put up with the other members looking down their nose at you.

The EU didn't invest in a Golf course. We don't have to rent it. If the "Club" ceases to exist there will be nothing of value left.

We formed a cartel where we fixed prices & excluded other traders.

We want to leave it so the Cartel say "we will make you suffer just in case someone else wants to leave the Cartel" its all a bit sad.

[northernladuk]

Ah, that's another story, now you blame the PIGS.
Do you have anything more to blame to feel yourself better?

I'm sure he feels himself well enough. He's had plenty of practice

[Bee]

Agreed, and that all worked very well for a considerable period of time when all of the members were capable of contributing appropriately.

Fast forward to the present however, and we discover a lopsided melting pot of cash-strapped lame-duck economies feeding off the diminishing number of net contributors.
There is only one way that scenario is likely to end, and the first cracks are appearing.


Unless the "exception" becomes the rule.

Ah, that's another story, now you blame the PIGS.
Do you have anything more to blame to feel yourself better?

[Bee]

Yes that explains even why bankrupt Greece even wanted to stay.

If the EU was that awful why din't the take the easy card, pull out go bankrupt start fresh? Because they know the value of the EU.

Or why the EU did everything to maintain Greece.

[NotAllThere]

It's a club we joined early in its life, not right at the start but early in its life. We have shaped the design of it and helped it grow. We want to leave the club. There is no retired member status or honouree member Status. We are told that if we leave our years of contributions mean nothing. We will be treated like a non member, and no favours will be extended..

This was my experience with the PCG. Seemed fair enough.

How about we want to leave the club but we will still remain friends with many of the members

Huh? But we hate everyone in the club. We don't even want their people to come here to help out during harvest.

[scooterscot]

But would they ask themselves that?

I'm sure there are many members that want closer union, open borders, a single court, a single government etc. They would be free to stay and push on with the project.

If your club requires you to bully members into staying it must be pretty poor.

Yes that explains even why bankrupt Greece even wanted to stay.

If the EU was that awful why din't the take the easy card, pull out go bankrupt start fresh? Because they know the value of the EU.

[scooterscot]

Exactly. And that would cause either the complete break-up of the EU as it currently exists, or at the very least, a significant redrawing of the Modus Operandi.

That would not be bad news for anyone really other than the megalomaniac EU Leadership, who wish for nothing more than to extend the tentacles of their influence.

Is the penny starting to drop yet?

I know the breakup of the EU is your wet dream but that's not going to happen. For a number of reasons. One above all is cost. Why exchange paying a fee to paying more for market access, thereby increasing your costs? Do you know why stuff is more expensive in Switzerland and Norway? (soon to be the UK).

Has the penny dropped yet?

Costs in the UK will certainly increase, which will mean we'll have to become more self sufficient (unlikely considering we lack the skills base and available time) or the pound will need to devaluate by an obscene amount, thereby hurting EU exports to the UK.

It'll hurt the EU for sure but I'm guessing the UK will feel the pain a lot more.

[shaunbhoy]

FFS I've had a chance to sleep on it and I STILL cannot stay on task long enough to answer the original question without sloping off on a tangent and trying to turn it into a question that I DO want to answer

ftfy

Keep trying....it is comedy gold watching you attempt to alter the original premise to suit your tedious predictability.

[GB9]

In such a scenario other members of the club will ask themselves, why are we members? Lets getta out here.

Of course there'll be tariffs, just as there is for Norway and Switzerland. Remember much of the UK's trade to the EU is services based. Services are easily moved, unlike manufacturing.

If there was little need for either side to introduce tariffs Mayhem would not concerning herself with running over to misogynist Trump for a deal. Any deal. A great deal.

It's embarrassing.

But would they ask themselves that?

I'm sure there are many members that want closer union, open borders, a single court, a single government etc. They would be free to stay and push on with the project.

If your club requires you to bully members into staying it must be pretty poor.

[sasguru]

FFS Probably the most pointless thread in the forum, where a bunch of snowflake Brexiters whine about the EU.
You stupid morons chose to leave the club, the rules of which were and are crystal clear.
We're leaving the Single market and Customs Union. End of story.
There are going to be some negotiations.
Lets see what we get in terms of tariff free access, however the the EU has made it clear the 4 freedoms are indivisible. Since we don't want freedom of movement, the other freedoms are no longer free and have to be paid for in some way.
Nothing could be more clear.

Those of us with resources are planning for the worst and hoping for the best.
The one simple thing I would advise everyone to do right now is get private health insurance because one way or another (and not only due to Brexit) public spending is going to fall BIGLY.

[shaunbhoy]

The one problem we have is that the 4th Hole has its own committee

And a bunker mentality to boot.