Reply to: Nazis or just dumb?

[teapot418]

PS Ask it again. Why do people always slate the Daily Mail? The Daily Express is the more anti EU, anti migrant paper. Don't read it, but the Sun too by all accounts. The DM would never publish an article like Katie Hopkins's.

I think it's because the Mail pretends to be just slightly more credible than the Sun - which never dresses itself up as anything other than titillating trash.

[xoggoth]

Glad to see people don't just dismiss Wikipedia nowadays. High crime among young male migrants is not some Mail invention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Mind you "migrants", like so many other terms, black, Muslim etc we see in these things is far too broad a brush. Reasonable numbers of high performing, properly checked migrants are not the problem. It is not race/religion that matters but education, ability, willingness to accept our main principles and to integrate. Our papers/political parties should be making this distinction.

PS Ask it again. Why do people always slate the Daily Mail? The Daily Express is the more anti EU, anti migrant paper. Don't read it, but the Sun too by all accounts. The DM would never publish an article like Katie Hopkins's.

[xoggoth]

Also, how have Britain's recent military excursions into the Middle East helped the citizens of Britain? If anything its exacerbated the migrant problem, its eroded British citizens freedom and privacy through new, ambiguously, titled anti-terrorist laws all of which would quite possibly never have happened if these 'holidays in the sun' never happened.

On that I am in entire agreement but if we had had a more nationalist bent we probably would not have done so. It is the idea that we have a global responsibility for mankind that drives these disastrous, if well intentioned, interventions. Whatever else one can say about most modern nationalist groups they do at least have the practical view that we should not interfere in other nations. It rarely does any good.

Not sure what you are trying to say with that riot list as all the recent ones (and even one ancient one) confirmed what I said, that most major riots of the last 60 years were about racial tensions. One can argue about whose fault it is till kingdom come but, with immigration, the causes should be irrelevant as we need never have had the problem in the first place. We need stricter controls to ensure that migrants, and their descendants, will integrate and succeed in the UK. Those are the important factors, not race as such.

[darmstadt]

Then kindly elaborate for me d0000000000000000gh.

Typical crap there Darmstadt. IMO a government's primary duty is to its citizens, the citizens who vote for it, the citizens whose taxes pay for the state.

Also, how have Britain's recent military excursions into the Middle East helped the citizens of Britain? If anything its exacerbated the migrant problem, its eroded British citizens freedom and privacy through new, ambiguously, titled anti-terrorist laws all of which would quite possibly never have happened if these 'holidays in the sun' never happened.

[darmstadt]

Then kindly elaborate for me d0000000000000000gh.
Typical crap there Darmstadt. IMO a government's primary duty is to its citizens, the citizens who vote for it, the citizens whose taxes pay for the state.

How does this help its citizens: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...l-GNI-2014.pdf

Look at all the terrorist threats in the UK since 2001, what has kicked off most of the major riots in the last 60 years. A common bond between peoples of a nation is a very positive thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_England_riots - these were primarily race riots but I think the mitigating factors need to be taken into account
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_May_Day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richar...ewish_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitalfield_Riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fitz_Osbert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_N...ill_race_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lewisham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwater_Farm_riot

And many more. There seems to be a couple of common themes, either the poor don't like the rich or the people don't like foreigners although later riots tend to be more political and less racial.

I wonder what the British people's outlook on migrants if say, they were all white, came from somewhere like Holland which had either suffered a bad economic downturn or extreme political changes?

[vetran]

I think you may be missing the point they are making.

what if you pick some phrases and pop them on a bonfire then the flames get higher?

I'm sure if you popped some of the more conciliatory passages from the Bible on the Granuid when we are invaded by flesh eating Aliens with 3 heads some idiot would upvote them.

[xoggoth]

I think you may be missing the point they are making

Then kindly elaborate for me d0000000000000000gh.

Typical crap there Darmstadt. IMO a government's primary duty is to its citizens, the citizens who vote for it, the citizens whose taxes pay for the state.

All this casting of nationalism with the Nazis is ludicrous in the context of history. Hitler came to power in 1933 and died in 1945 yet you take this 13 years in one country from thousands of years of documented world history to demonise a whole concept. Maybe you should look at the facts. All the major conflicts that kill most people today are not those between one nationalist state and another but are between groups within nations and this has been true over the last 50 years. Would there be tension between Ukraine and Russia if not for those within Ukraine who see themselves as Russian? Look at all the terrorist threats in the UK since 2001, what has kicked off most of the major riots in the last 60 years. A common bond between peoples of a nation is a very positive thing.

Most of your quotes there are just unfounded conclusions or non sequiturs. A single policy resembles that of Hitler's? Maybe we should stop trying to improve the economy or cure inflation then, Hitler did those things rather well. Only 1% of all asylum seekers make it to the UK? It was still 25k a year in 2014 before the problem in Calais got so bad despite all our "racist" efforts to keep them out. If we simply let them in what do you think the figure would be? They don't just spread out throughout the UK but go to areas where their countrymen live and the impacts on those can be quite significant. When 80% are in social housing or 7% have special support needs, as with Eritreans in Birmingham, it means fewer of our own people can receive such things.

Crime in Kent fell over a three-year period in which the number of asylum seekers rose? What evidence do you have of any link between those figures, given that crime (supposedly) has fallen significantly in most of the UK in recent years? Given their low % of the population and the fact that many are "children" in care it looks like total crap.

[d000hg]

Typical lefty crap. There are very obvious differences between Jews in Nazi Germany and the illegal immigrants assailing Calais.

I think you may be missing the point they are making.

[darmstadt]

Typical lefty crap. There are very obvious differences between Jews in Nazi Germany and the illegal immigrants assailing Calais.

The former were citizens like any other Germans, the latter are people attempting to commit the illegal act of unauthorised entry to the UK, constantly damaging property and often threatening violence while doing so, greatly impacting our economy and causing our lorry drivers, holiday makers and many Kent residents enormous problems. The great majority are frauds, not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants. Also, unlike the able Jews, they will be a problem to us for generations to come. There are stats available if anyone cares to look.

People have every right to object to what they are doing as they would to any other criminal actions.

The British government are also acting now as they did then:

Current bigotry against asylum seekers, it's chilling to discover, closely mimics prewar anti-Jewish sentiments, and in both instances has been legitimised by British immigration policy. Rather than relaxing entry requirements for Austrian Jews after the Anschluss - Germany's annexation of Austria in March 1938 - the British government tightened them, introducing new, strictly controlled visas precisely to restrict their numbers. More than 65,000 Austrian Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.

Astonishingly, Britain's postwar record isn't much better. Although the immediate aftermath of the second world war saw the arrival of a large number of refugees, very few were Jewish Holocaust survivors. British postwar immigration policy deliberately excluded Jews (and non-white immigrants) because it didn't consider them assimilable. Today, asylum seekers are routinely accused of fomenting the racism that they encounter. Similarly, cabinet minutes of 1945 claimed that "the admission of a further batch of refugees, many of whom would be Jews, might provoke strong reactions from certain sections of public opinion. There was a real risk of a wave of anti-semitic feeling in this country." Yet they had no compunction in admitting the entire Ukrainian membership of the Galician division of the Waffen-SS.

Recession then, recession now - in both cases, a harsh economic climate is used to justify exclusion. In the 1930s, many trades unions, such as the shoe and bootmakers', cited the unemployment of their own members as the reason they opposed a loosening of immigration controls. Yet other unions, such as the National Union of Agricultural Workers, with similar numbers of unemployed union members, argued for an increase in the number of work permits.

The catch-22 in operation today also has historical resonance. In the 1930s, it was widely believed that if refugees found work, they were taking jobs from the British-born. If they didn't, they were living off the state - a formulation that has barely changed in more than 60 years. And just as David Blunkett has proposed that the children of 3,000 new asylum seekers should attend special schools in new pilot accommodation centres to prevent them "swamping" local schools, so legislation was enacted in the 1930s limiting the intake of Jewish pupils into state schools to less than 5% of the total.

The press has persisted in peddling incorrect figures about immigration. The Observer's assertion that, by the summer of 1938, there were more Jews in Britain than Germany ever had, was plain wrong. Similarly, the tabloids' current depiction of Britain as an international magnet for asylum seekers is totally misleading. Most of the world's refugees do what they've always done - move from one poor country to another. The majority remain in their region, either in their own country as internally displaced people, or in neighbouring countries. Only a tiny percentage make it to the richer countries: 5% to Europe, and less than 1% to Britain. A regular peruser of the tabloid press, with its loose talk of "swamping", would be stunned to learn that, of 15 EU countries, Britain stands at number 10 in the number of asylum seekers per head of population.

What also gets omitted from most press coverage is any positive asylum seeker stories. The national media consistently links asylum seekers with crime, but when reported crime in Kent fell over a three-year period in which the number of asylum seekers rose, they failed to cover it.

As many have pointed out, we need to be able to sort out economic migrants from asylum seekers, the former should be sent back whereas the latter should be allowed into Europe however more work needs to be done in stopping the latter getting into Europe as this hurts those who deserve our help.

[NotAllThere]

Starving, abused Syrian refugees arrive on the Greek Island of Kos &.... whip out a selfie stick to capture their relief . Have a good weekend all !

Here boys, hold this stick and pose for the cameras. There's €5 in it for each of you if you do.

[xoggoth]

Typical lefty crap. There are very obvious differences between Jews in Nazi Germany and the illegal immigrants assailing Calais.

The former were citizens like any other Germans, the latter are people attempting to commit the illegal act of unauthorised entry to the UK, constantly damaging property and often threatening violence while doing so, greatly impacting our economy and causing our lorry drivers, holiday makers and many Kent residents enormous problems. The great majority are frauds, not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants. Also, unlike the able Jews, they will be a problem to us for generations to come. There are stats available if anyone cares to look.

People have every right to object to what they are doing as they would to any other criminal actions.

[Flashman]

Starving, abused Syrian refugees arrive on the Greek Island of Kos &.... whip out a selfie stick to capture their relief . Have a good weekend all !

[FatLazyContractor]

Spelling NATzi!

(Fixed it now).

FTFY

[NotAllThere]

Nazis :nazi:

Spelling Nazi!

(Fixed it now).

[mudskipper]

Nazis :nazi: