Reply to: Moslems and Charlie Hebdo

[DodgyAgent]

Until the media and the trolls on here start to distinguish between "Islam" and "Salafism" then there is no hope of solving this problem.

Saudi are twins with ISIS yet they are our best friends. So don't go telling me Muslims should protest about extremists whilst we are silent about our friendship with ISIS Saudi.

Twins in what way?

[d000hg]

Ask any bloke and they'll say the "home of Islam" is Saudi.

I doubt that very much. Most blokes don't even know where KSA is

[jjdarg]

Until the media and the trolls on here start to distinguish between "Islam" and "Salafism" then there is no hope of solving this problem.

Saudi are twins with ISIS yet they are our best friends. So don't go telling me Muslims should protest about extremists whilst we are silent about our friendship with ISIS Saudi.

But Salafism has the upper hand as it has all the money, and it is Salafist money that is pushing the proselytising and the public mouthpieces of "Islam"(tm) here in the West.

That's one of the reasons you won't hear about Muslims not being happy about it, the money's not behind them.

For crying out loud, we even let Tariq Ramadan be a professor at Oxford - he presents an urbane, civilised face of Islamism to the Beeb and other media outlets (I watched him charm the socks off Paxman once - but probably because he was the only other person in the room who wasn't a complete dolt). But he is the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, and his writings in Arabic and French are considered so bad that even Canada (!) has banned him.

[lilelvis2000]

Ask any bloke and they'll say the "home of Islam" is Saudi. Yet ask any Muslim and they'll hate Wahabi/Salafism more than you will. Most Muslims hate the Saudi family. Yet the media portrays them as if they are the leaders of Islam. And yet the politicians have to gag over them. I know not why. Perhaps its that the Saudi pay over the odds for military hardware and throw lavish alcohol fueled parties?

I must correct you however. Saudi is not funding ISIS as a country. ISIS have made clear threats to invade Saudi. But, various Saudi sheikhs (and other Gulf arab sheikhs) have made massive donations to ISIS. Then there is the strange case of the Iraqi military leaving its bases with all its equipment intact. WTF was that about.

Sadly, its all in the name of wiping out Shia/Christian et al.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Until the media and the trolls on here start to distinguish between "Islam" and "Salafism" then there is no hope of solving this problem.

Saudi are twins with ISIS yet they are our best friends. So don't go telling me Muslims should protest about extremists whilst we are silent about our friendship with ISIS Saudi.

[meridian]

Without jumping to conclusions (there's still no confirmation of motive), Dawkins has already stated pretty much that.

[NotAllThere]

Shouldn't we have a global outcry from all atheists denouncing this barbarism, proclaiming the murderer isn't a proper atheist, with Dawkins stating "Not in my name".

[xoggoth]

Regardless of motives/circumstances, what exactly is one case supposed to show?

Can we please have a little logic?

[Pondlife]

Not sure where you got the idea that the killer was an Atheist, or that they were killed for their religion, the link mentions no reason yet for their killing.

The man arrested on suspicion of killing three young Muslims in North Carolina described himself as an “anti-theist” and criticised all religions online.

Chapel Hill shooting: Craig Stephen Hicks condemned all religions on Facebook prior to 'Muslim mass-murder' arrest - Americas - World - The Independent


A regular social media user, his last three posts were a cute dog video about the Pavlov effect, a viral advert for Air New Zealand involving mountain bikes, and a picture from United Atheists of America asking “why radical Christians and radical Muslims are so opposed to each others’ influence when they agree about so many ideological issues”.

TV programmes liked by Hicks include The Atheist Experience, Criminal Minds and Friends, while he describes himself as a fan of Thomas Paine’s The Age of Reason and Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion.

[meridian]

Oh look what happened yesterday. Chapel Hill shooting: Three American Muslims killed - Telegraph Atheists picking up their guns. Crikey!

Not sure where you got the idea that the killer was an Atheist, or that they were killed for their religion, the link mentions no reason yet for their killing.

[lilelvis2000]

Just seem the Daily Mail story.

Number demonstrating about the insult caused by Charlie Hebdo = 10000
Number demonstrating that innocent people are being killed all over the world in the name of THEIR religion = 0

Something badly wrong here.

Oh look what happened yesterday. Chapel Hill shooting: Three American Muslims killed - Telegraph Atheists picking up their guns. Crikey!

[Pondlife]

Ron Donald, NHL Hall of Fame broadcaster speaking in Ontario, Canada says, "I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in Toronto . I think it should be the goal of every Canadian to be tolerant regardless of their religious beliefs. Thus the mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance."
"That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque; thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque. We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, "The Turban Cowboy," and the other, a topless bar, would be called "You Mecca Me Hot."
"Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbecue pork restaurant, called "Iraq of Ribs."
"Across the street there could be a lingerie store called " Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret," with sexy mannequins in the window modelling the goods."
"Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge," its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered."
"All of this would encourage Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us." Yes we should promote tolerance, and you can do your part by passing this on. And if you are not laughing or smiling at this point...
It is either past your bedtime, or it's midnight at the oasis and time to put your camel to bed"!

Where did you copy this from?

Jiggs McDonald on Muslims - snopes.com

[lilelvis2000]

...and I've lived here all my life and have only just found out who Luisa Zissman is.

As they say, ignorance is bliss

who?

A quick search and no mention of Ron Donald...unless the guy was making a play on Ron Maclean who really is a NHL hockey commentator for the CBC.

[darmstadt]

Ron Donald, NHL Hall of Fame broadcaster speaking in Ontario, Canada says, "a load of pish"!

I remember when working in Israel of going to Jaffa one day which is one of the oldest and most religious cities in the world. Along with all the churches in the old town were such places as the Vatican consulate and right next door, also at the highest point in the town was a large S+M club....

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

Made up. I lived in Canada 30 years..never heard of him.

...and I've lived here all my life and have only just found out who Luisa Zissman is.

As they say, ignorance is bliss